Rosie's ching-chong comments

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

You haven't told me anything yet.

Moreover, Timothy McVie was an American, white, Christian - yet, we ain't locking those up are we.

In the end, I get that few people other than Middle Easterners have ever bombed planes. However, that fact does not in any way support locking up American citizens and taking their Constitutional rights away because of the acts of like maybe 1,000 non-American Muslims total out of the tens of millions of them around the world and here who live in a peaceful manner. I mean the whole reason the ones that hate us hate us is because of that very reason

[irishgrl]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Moreover, Timothy McVie was an American, white, Christian - yet, we ain't locking those up are we.

In the end, I get that few people other than Middle Easterners have ever bombed planes. However, that fact does not in any way support locking up American citizens and taking their Constitutional rights away because of the acts of like maybe 1,000 non-American Muslims total out of the tens of millions of them around the world and here who live in a peaceful manner. I mean the whole reason the ones that hate us hate us is because of that very reason

Just so you know, Im not condoning concentration camps. I never said that in any post. When Chris asked me if I supported locking up Muslims in camps, I responded by saying that the issue of my feelings for the Muslims (specifically the terrorists by the way) is the one area where I deviate from my normal Liberal leanings. I categorically hate them.

That said, however, I do NOT condone any sort of forced lockup, and Im not happy about the treatment of prisoners at Gitmo or Abu Ghraib (sp?).

oh and Jason? Tim McVeigh was KILLED for his crimes. Much different than a concentration camp............you're comparing apples and oranges again.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by irishgrl

. . . oh and Jason? Tim McVeigh was KILLED for his crimes. Much different than a concentration camp............you're comparing apples and oranges again.

Splat - the sound of my point hitting the wal over your head

[irishgrl]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Splat - the sound of my point hitting the wal over your head

apple? orange. apple? orange.

you have no point. at least not one that is relative to a discussion on concentration camps

[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by irishgrl

Just so you know, Im not condoning concentration camps. I never said that in any post. When Chris asked me if I supported locking up Muslims in camps, I responded by saying that the issue of my feelings for the Muslims (specifically the terrorists by the way) is the one area where I deviate from my normal Liberal leanings. I categorically hate them.
That said, however, I do NOT condone any sort of forced lockup, and Im not happy about the treatment of prisoners at Gitmo or Abu Ghraib (sp?).

oh and Jason? Tim McVeigh was KILLED for his crimes. Much different than a concentration camp............you're comparing apples and oranges again.

Okay that really is racist and offensive. I have had friends who are Muslim and I just don't get how you can paint them all with such a broad brush. It's the same attitude, albeit reversed, that is driving them to come after us. A blind hatred.

[irishgrl]

Originally Posted by SuzeQuze

Okay that really is racist and offensive. I have had friends who are Muslim and I just don't get how you can paint them all with such a broad brush. It's the same attitude, albeit reversed, that is driving them to come after us. A blind hatred.

please note:

I responded by saying that the issue of my feelings for the Muslims (specifically the terrorists by the way) is the one area where I deviate from my normal Liberal leanings

I am speaking of the terrorists here. If you dont understand how I can hate the terrorists after 9/11 then I dont know what more to say.......what I said regarding the Moderates was that I felt they could/should do more to control the radical element in their religion. Carrie had responded by saying that we are all responsible for our own actions and that it was not fair to hold a group responsible for the actions of a few (or some). I told her I saw her point.

I will add this however: when it is common knowledge that money is consistently being funneled to these extremists to continue to wreak their havoc I have to wonder if these so-called extremists arent actually representing the secret feelings/desires of the group as a whole. If not, then why arent more moderates coming forward and denouncing this crap? Why arent the money sources being dried up? why arent more terrorist hiding places and training camps being exposed? Why are Madrassas always full to the brim? Hatred of the West is rampant in that part of the world and you cant say that my recent change of heart since 9/11 is the cause. As I said before, I had a live and let live attitude until then, and I firmly believe that only the Muslims can bring about the needed changes in this situation.
Its a sure bet these radicals wont listen to anything the West has to say.....

[skcin]

Originally Posted by irishgrl

I am speaking of the terrorists here. If you dont understand how I can hate the terrorists after 9/11 then I dont know what more to say.......

I responded by saying that the issue of my feelings for the Muslims (specifically the terrorists by the way) is the one area where I deviate from my normal Liberal leanings. I categorically hate them.

I'm reading your above quote again, and I want to know if you hate all Muslims, or just the terrorists who are Muslim? Or do you assume that all Muslims might be terrorists?

[irishgrl]

Originally Posted by skcin

I'm reading your above quote again, and I want to know if you hate all Muslims, or just the terrorists who are Muslim? Or do you assume that all Muslims might be terrorists?

To be clear: My hatred is reserved for the terrorists. I am very unhappy and deeply disappointed with the Moderates for not standing up and doing what they could to change things. And I am convinced there is much each individual could do, examples of which I outlined above.

I think this bears repeating:

I will add this however: when it is common knowledge that money is consistently being funneled to these extremists to continue to wreak their havoc I have to wonder if these so-called extremists arent actually representing the secret feelings/desires of the group as a whole. If not, then why arent more moderates coming forward and denouncing this crap? Why arent the money sources being dried up? why arent more terrorist hiding places and training camps being exposed? Why are Madrassas always full to the brim? Hatred of the West is rampant in that part of the world and you cant say that my recent change of heart since 9/11 is the cause. As I said before, I had a live and let live attitude until then, and I firmly believe that only the Muslims can bring about the needed changes in this situation.
Its a sure bet these radicals wont listen to anything the West has to say.....

[Rickypt]

Originally Posted by irishgrl

To be clear: My hatred is reserved for the terrorists. :

Then you really should start being much more clear in your language. When you mean terrorists, say terrorists. Don't say "Muslims" and don't say Muslims (specifically the terrorists). Or, if you really do hate Muslims, then be honest. You've slipped it in so many times, that I do wonder.

[skcin]

Originally Posted by irishgrl

To be clear: My hatred is reserved for the terrorists. I am very unhappy and deeply disappointed with the Moderates for not standing up and doing what they could to change things. And I am convinced there is much each individual could do, examples of which I outlined above.

Great. So why not say "my hatred against Muslim terrorists" or even "my hatred against terrorists...."

[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by irishgrl

please note:


I am speaking of the terrorists here. If you dont understand how I can hate the terrorists after 9/11 then I dont know what more to say.......what I said regarding the Moderates was that I felt they could/should do more to control the radical element in their religion. Carrie had responded by saying that we are all responsible for our own actions and that it was not fair to hold a group responsible for the actions of a few (or some). I told her I saw her point.

I will add this however: when it is common knowledge that money is consistently being funneled to these extremists to continue to wreak their havoc I have to wonder if these so-called extremists arent actually representing the secret feelings/desires of the group as a whole. If not, then why arent more moderates coming forward and denouncing this crap? Why arent the money sources being dried up? why arent more terrorist hiding places and training camps being exposed? Why are Madrassas always full to the brim? Hatred of the West is rampant in that part of the world and you cant say that my recent change of heart since 9/11 is the cause. As I said before, I had a live and let live attitude until then, and I firmly believe that only the Muslims can bring about the needed changes in this situation.
Its a sure bet these radicals wont listen to anything the West has to say.....

I missed your parenthetical text which was important. Sorry about that!

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by SuzeQuze

I missed your parenthetical text which was important. Sorry about that!

But, she does not really believe in that parenthical does she - as evidenced by the equivocal statement "I will add this however: when it is common knowledge that money is consistently being funneled to these extremists to continue to wreak their havoc I have to wonder if these so-called extremists arent actually representing the secret feelings/desires of the group as a whole." Therein and the fact that she initially referred to "all Muslims" lies the rub IMO.

[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

But, she does not really believe in that parenthical does she - as evidenced by the equivocal statement "I will add this however: when it is common knowledge that money is consistently being funneled to these extremists to continue to wreak their havoc I have to wonder if these so-called extremists arent actually representing the secret feelings/desires of the group as a whole." Therein and the fact that she initially referred to "all Muslims" lies the rub IMO.

I think this is what I am picking up on. I am also bullsh*t at moderate Muslims for their lack of backbone however I can see why they wouldn't stand up for fear of being blown up.

[irishgrl]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

But, she does not really believe in that parenthical does she - as evidenced by the equivocal statement "I will add this however: when it is common knowledge that money is consistently being funneled to these extremists to continue to wreak their havoc I have to wonder if these so-called extremists arent actually representing the secret feelings/desires of the group as a whole." Therein and the fact that she initially referred to "all Muslims" lies the rub IMO.

and once again, you are reading into it what you choose to. Ive said who I hate and Ive said who I am disappointed in. two different groups. I asked a hypothetical question, and as such, dont see how that proves anything.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by SuzeQuze

Okay that really is racist and offensive. I have had friends who are Muslim and I just don't get how you can paint them all with such a broad brush. It's the same attitude, albeit reversed, that is driving them to come after us. A blind hatred.

Oh -- but she doesn't do that -- we could ask her, but she says we wouldn't like her answer and she hopes she does not have to say she told us so.