Election day results discussion thread

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by irishgrl

This country began its downhill slide with Reagan.

That was when the dismantling of middle class values as we knew it-medical insurance, pensions, unions etc. began. People thought he was such a nice guy. He was an actor working on behalf of a group of people who wanted to wage war on the middle class and they damn near killed it until Clinton came along. We got a little back then. Now we have to figure out how to repair the damage of six years of the Neocons trying to again make the middle class their slaves.
BTW, Carter was before Reagan.

[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

That was when the dismantling of middle class values as we knew it-medical insurance, pensions, unions etc. began. People thought he was such a nice guy. He was an actor working on behalf of a group of people who wanted to wage war on the middle class and they damn near killed it until Clinton came along. We got a little back then. Now we have to figure out how to repair the damage of six years of the Neocons trying to again make the middle class their slaves.
BTW, Carter was before Reagan.

I think we're going to make gains on that front rather quickly (knocks wood). Again, this is just an intuitive guess based on nothing else. But remember, I was right about the R senators conceding without recounts!

[irishgrl]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

That was when the dismantling of middle class values as we knew it-medical insurance, pensions, unions etc. began. People thought he was such a nice guy. He was an actor working on behalf of a group of people who wanted to wage war on the middle class and they damn near killed it until Clinton came along. We got a little back then. Now we have to figure out how to repair the damage of six years of the Neocons trying to again make the middle class their slaves.
BTW, Carter was before Reagan.

oops, you're right! well he was the bright spot between Nixon and Reagan then!

Think about it: the truly abysmal lowpoints this country has had have come under Republican corruption. Watergate Plamegate, Iraq, Vietnam, 9/11, (actually anything since Monkey Boy SEIZED office has been abysmal)

The WORST they could throw at Clinton was his lie about extramarital sex. Oh Brother. I guess I should just be glad there is now a balance of power, and hopefully it will help bring about change.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by irishgrl

. . . The WORST they could throw at Clinton was his lie about extramarital sex . . . .

and the millions of our money he spent trying to cover it up, which I totally agree is far less offensive than a war for no reason and thousands of our brave guys and gals dead for that shiitte.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

and the millions of our money he spent trying to cover it up,

No, no, no you don't. That bull**** was started by the Republicans. The taxpayers paid for Ken Starr and all that Whitewater bull****. Clinton had just as much right as anyone else to privacy when it came to his sex life. It was afforded to ALL former presidents. The people that were behind that whole "Hunting Of The President" (see the documentary, it's great) were responsible for that huge waste of time and waste of taxpayers money.

[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

No, no, no you don't. That bull**** was started by the Republicans. The taxpayers paid for Ken Starr and all that Whitewater bull****. Clinton had just as much right as anyone else to privacy when it came to his sex life. It was afforded to ALL former presidents. The people that were behind that whole "Hunting Of The President" (see the documentary, it's great) were responsible for that huge waste of time and waste of taxpayers money.

That endlessly angered me. And that Star report is the porn of a sexually repressed sorry ass excuse for a man.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

No, no, no you don't. That bull**** was started by the Republicans. The taxpayers paid for Ken Starr and all that Whitewater bull****. Clinton had just as much right as anyone else to privacy when it came to his sex life. It was afforded to ALL former presidents. The people that were behind that whole "Hunting Of The President" (see the documentary, it's great) were responsible for that huge waste of time and waste of taxpayers money.

All I am saying is that if Clinton had said "yes" when asked in the depo and, more importantly, by the media - if he had the affair, millions in govt. money would have been saved. But, he did not do that. He tried to cover it up by sending cabinet members and others out on the talk shows to deny the affair. Then, he used his influence to get her the job, etc. All of that was using govt. time and resources If he had been honest, that money would not have been spent. I mean if W did that, you all would be all over him like white on rice. I use Foley as an example - - do you think Foley deserves to have that kept private - after all 17 is the age of consent in DC

So, regardless of the hunt for him, which I readily admit there was, his own behavior contributed to that and it cost us money as well as the hunt costing us money in vain as well.

Now, if you want to get into whether he should have been asked because of some privacy deal, that is another deal. But, he did not respond with "you should not ask me that question" - - he responded with I did not have sexual relations with that woman - and he said it thinking she had been bought off. Sorry, he reaped what he sewed there and it wound up costing the taxpayers. How anyone can see it any differently is to me completely ignoring the facts, which are all that interest me.

[irishgrl]

I keep telling you Clinton did NOT get Monica that job. I wish I would have held onto her book, she plainly said she got that job without his help.

you keep singing your tired old "anti-Clinton" song, its sad really....

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by irishgrl

I keep telling you Clinton did NOT get Monica that job. I wish I would have held onto her book, she plainly said she got that job without his help.

and she is SUCH a credible witness

Better yet, maybe she signed an affidavit saying that about the job and gave it to VJ

You are pathetic in your blind support of him. If an R had done that, you would be all over him for taking advantage of a very young woman, etc. But, Clinton did it, so it's okay. Give me a break.

[strandinthewind]

The Lewinsky Affidavit

Released on Friday, March 13, 1998

Following is the full text of Monica S. Lewinsky's affidavit, signed on Jan. 7, 1998, and submitted to lawyers for Paula Jones on Jan. 16. The statement was one of several documents made public by Jones's lawyers on March 13 as part of their opposition to a motion by Clinton's lawyers to dismiss the case.

Attorneys for Jones refered to Lewinsky as a "Jane Doe".

1. My name is Jane Doe # . I am 24 years old and I currently reside at 700 New Hampshire Avenue, N.W. Washington, D.C. 20037.

2. On December 19, 1997, I was served with a subpoena from the plaintiff to give a deposition and to produce documents in the lawsuit filed by Paula Corbin Jones against President William Jefferson Clinton and Danny Ferguson.

3. I can not fathom any reason that the plaintiff would seek information from me for her case.

4. I have never met Ms. Jones, nor do I have any information regarding the events she alleges occurred at the Excelsior Hotel on May 8, 1991 or any other information concerning any of the allegations in her case.

5. I worked at the White House in the summer of 1995 as a White House intern. Beginning in December, 1995, I worked in the Office of Legislative Affairs as a staff assistant for correspondence. In April, 1996, I accepted a job as assistant to the Assistant Secretary for Public Affairs at the U.S. Department of Defense. I maintained that job until December 26, 1997. I am currently unemployed but seeking a new job.

6. In the course of my employment at the White House I met President Clinton several times. I also saw the President at a number of social functions held at the White House. When I worked as an intern, he appeared at occasional functions attended by me and several other interns. The correspondence I drafted while I worked at the Office of Legislative Affairs was seen and edited by supervisors who either had the President's signature affixed by mechanism or, I believe, had the President sign the correspondence itself.

7. I have the utmost respect for the President who has always behaved appropriately in my presence.

8. I have never had a sexual relationship with the President, he did not propose that we have a sexual relationship, he did not offer me employment or other benefits in exchange for a sexual relationship, he did not deny me employment or other benefits for rejecting a sexual relationship. I do not know of any other person who had a sexual relationship with the President, was offered employment or other benefits in exchange for a sexual relationship, or was denied employment or other benefits for rejecting a sexual relationship. The occasions that I saw the President after I left employment at the White House in April, 1996, were official receptions, formal functions or events related to the U.S. Department of Defense, where I was working at the time. There were other people present on those occasions.

9. Since I do not possess any information that could possibly be relevant to the allegations made by Paula Jones or lead to possible admissible evidence in this case, I asked my attorney to provide this affidavit to plaintiff's counsel. Requiring my disposition in this matter would cause disruption to my life, especially since I am looking for employment, unwarranted attorney's fees and costs, and constitute an invasion of my right to privacy.

I declare under the penalty of perjury that the foregoing is true and correct.

(signed)
Monica S. Lewinsky

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