National Evangelical Leader Resigns Amid Gay Hooker Allegations

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by Nixxxed

I hope you'll be able to get the sulfur smell out of your clothes.

Hugo Chavez's quote will be remembered long after Bush has left the White House.

[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

Hugo Chavez's quote will be remembered long after Bush has left the White House.

I heard the tape of it and the translator was holding back laughter, it really was too much!

[Nixxxed]

So Haggard has admitted "some" of the allegations were true. That's a new strategy. But the male prostitute didn't exactly pass his lie detector test this morning. How very strange, especially with the meth aspect. Wonder how long until he runs to rehab.

[Rickypt]

Originally Posted by Nixxxed

But the male prostitute didn't exactly pass his lie detector test this morning.

I'm still trying to understand the motives behind the male escort. He takes money from the guy for 3 years for sex and then suddenly goes to the press because Haagard is against same sex marriage. Going public with this isn't going to change the outcome of the vote on gay marriage in Colorado (in fact, it will probably result in more people voting against gay marriage because what will be on their mind on Tuesday is gay escorts and closeted married dudes snorting meth and having sex).

[Rickypt]

I'll add that I'm watching cable news coverage of this issue all morning and almost none of the discussion is about hypocrisy. It is all about the "tawdry" situation and everyone loves saying GAY prostitute.

It is very eye-opening for me when stuff like this pops up because it reminds me just how much homophobia still exists out there. Imagine if the issue was around a faith leader who supported racist policies getting caught seeing an African-American female prostitute. The discussion would not be the same.

[DrummerDeanna]

^^

You make excellent points, and you know, I have never thought about these issues like this - but you're so right! Many a homophobe have this notion about "gay lifestyles" and this sort of cements their thought and fear...and further vilifies gays rather than the true loser in this - the preacher man who's a major hypocrite

[Rickypt]

I'm somewhat impressed...MSNBC has a spiritual leader talking right now who said that this story is a disservice to the gay and lesbian community because it helps reinforce stereotypes. He did say something like "there are millions of upright gays and lesbians who don't use prostitute or pick up people in gay bars". Like picking up someone in a gay bar is immoral or something? Bizarre.

Then they cut away to Hagaard being interviewed this morning. All the of questions are around the meth, the hotel, etc. and no one asked about his hypocrisy.

[Nixxxed]

Originally Posted by Rickypt

I'll add that I'm watching cable news coverage of this issue all morning and almost none of the discussion is about hypocrisy. It is all about the "tawdry" situation and everyone loves saying GAY prostitute.

It is very eye-opening for me when stuff like this pops up because it reminds me just how much homophobia still exists out there. Imagine if the issue was around a faith leader who supported racist policies getting caught seeing an African-American female prostitute. The discussion would not be the same.

I see what you're saying, but I want the record to show that I went for the even more tawdry gay HOOKER description in the thread headline.

I agree it won't change the vote, but I think every chink in the evangelical armor makes them less likely to push their agenda on us (at the same time they claim we're the ones with the agenda).

As for Jones' motives (and the seeming delay in his actions), I read that he only learned who Haggard was about 6 months ago and had been weighing his actions. And finally saw him on TV a few weeks ago being very anti-gay and decided he had to do something. But, all the details of this are all over the place, and I'm having trouble keeping up.

[Rickypt]

Originally Posted by Nixxxed

I see what you're saying, but I want the record to show that I went for the even more tawdry gay HOOKER description in the thread headline.
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and it got me to look.

So I'm clear, my comments aren't directed at anyone here. They are specific to the media reaction.

For now, I'm suspect of Jones. I believe him, but I'm just not sure about the motives. I'm not convinced that destroying Haggard's family is the best way to address the anti-gay actions. I think I would have just cut off the "business" relationship and left it at that.

Wonder how long until Jones' book comes out?