"Show You How" single now available on iTunes!

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by trackaghost

Ooo sarcasm! Nice. Let me try. Yes, you're right, Show You How is sooo uncommercial, nobody will ever, ever like that track. In fact people will hear Show You How and cover their ears screaming "It hurts! It hurts! What is this dreadful unMac-like din?" and deliberately smash the album to save others from hearing it. The album won't just fizzle it will die a grisly death. Whereas DOR as the first single would obvioulsy have brought about world peace and helped Under The Skin be bigger than Thriller. Of course. What a mistake to release Show You How as the first single! It's like Lindsey has turned into Animal Collective or Acid Mothers Temple or something! What the hell is he thinking?

Like Down On Rodeo had a chance in hell of being a hit

You're right that it's highly unlikely "Down On Rodeo" would've been a "hit," but I do have to agree that it would have a better shot at receiving radio airplay than "Show You How" will have.

All arguments about "safe choices" verses "taking chances" aside, if your album doesn't receive exposure then no one's going to know about it. And if they don't know about it, then they can't buy it.

Gotta throw out the bait before you can reel 'em in!

[trackaghost]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

You're right that it's highly unlikely "Down On Rodeo" would've been a "hit," but I do have to agree that it would have a better shot at receiving radio airplay than "Show You How" will have.

All arguments about "safe choices" verses "taking chances" aside, if your album doesn't receive exposure then no one's going to know about it. And if they don't know about it, then they can't buy it.

Gotta throw out the bait before you can reel 'em in!

Sorry, I don't think Down On Rodeo is ever gonna get big time radio play, no matter how good it is. Once again this maximum exposure/sales argument doesn't convince me. Lindsey is never going to sell millions again, especially as a solo artist, it's his hardcore fans he needs to appeal to rather than casual listeners.
But to tell the truth I'm more interested in what the actual music will be like, I don't care at all what the first single is or what it sells.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by trackaghost

Sorry, I don't think Down On Rodeo is ever gonna get big time radio play, no matter how good it is. Once again this maximum exposure/sales argument doesn't convince me. Lindsey is never going to sell millions again, especially as a solo artist, it's his hardcore fans he needs to appeal to rather than casual listeners.

My comment is being misconstrued... I didn't say that "Down On Rodeo" would get "big time radio play" or that Lindsey is going to sell millions again (wait, did he ever sell millions on his own?). I just tend to think that when DJs across the United States get that promo CD, they're going to opt not to play "Show You How," whereas they would be more inclined to give "Down On Rodeo" a chance.

The thing is, I have no idea what kind of numbers Warner/Reprise might be eyeing for this release. I'm sure it's something far more reasonable than what they expected for 'Say You Will,' but if it doesn't do at least what 'Out Of The Cradle' did (roughly 54,000 copies), then the danger is there that we won't get that electric album Lindsey has been talking about.

That's the only reason I want this album to get as much attention and as broad of an audience as possible.

[trackaghost]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

My comment is being misconstrued... I didn't say that "Down On Rodeo" would get "big time radio play" or that Lindsey is going to sell millions again (wait, did he ever sell millions on his own?). I just tend to think that when DJs across the United States get that promo CD, they're going to opt not to play "Show You How," whereas they would be more inclined to give "Down On Rodeo" a chance.

The thing is, I have no idea what kind of numbers Warner/Reprise might be eyeing for this release. I'm sure it's something far more reasonable than what they expected for 'Say You Will,' but if it doesn't do at least what 'Out Of The Cradle' did (roughly 54,000 copies), then the danger is there that we won't get that electric album Lindsey has been talking about.

That's the only reason I want this album to get as much attention and as broad of an audience as possible.

I know you didn't, I'm just enjoying arguing with you!
Warner knows how well Lindsey's last solo efforts sold and I'm pretty sure it has a fair idea how Under The Skin will sell too. I don't think Warner would be announcing this proposed second album in all the press pieces I've read so far if the second album was dependent on the success of the first. I think it is expecting similar numbers to OOTC and I'm pretty sure it will do that with or without radio support.
Also what's so uncommercial about Show You How anyway? There's a good chance it will perform okay, why are we dismissing it? I was just bummed at Bandon's suggestion that releasing that as the first single over DOR would effectively kill the album before it even had a chance!

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by trackaghost

I know you didn't, I'm just enjoying arguing with you!

It's fun to have NEW Lindsey songs and topics to debate and discuss, isn't it? At least it is for me.
I hope Gerald realizes that's the intention behind my dialogue with him, too.

Originally Posted by trackaghost

I don't think Warner would be announcing this proposed second album in all the press pieces I've read so far if the second album was dependent on the success of the first.

Well, I certainly hope that's true. I guess I'm still a little wary since so much was made out of 'Gift of Screws' in all the Warner-generated press during 'The Dance' and directly after... and we all know what happened with that.

Originally Posted by trackaghost

Also what's so uncommercial about Show You How anyway? There's a good chance it will perform okay, why are we dismissing it? I was just bummed at Bandon's suggestion that releasing that as the first single over DOR would effectively kill the album before it even had a chance!

I don't know where Bandon's from (I'm guessing the US), but I know that there isn't a radio station anywhere around me that I can imagine playing "Show You How." I can think of several that would spin "Down On Rodeo" though.

[trackaghost]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

I don't know where Bandon's from (I'm guessing the US), but I know that there isn't a radio station anywhere around me that I can imagine playing "Show You How." I can think of several that would spin "Down On Rodeo" though.

Well, maybe you're right but releasing Show You How as the first single will help it quickly fizzle out? (as Bandon said) I don't think that's true and besides DOR may well make it as a second single, if there is one. But I stand by my point that Under The Skin doesn't really need singles so much to sell to its target audience. I think the tour and any press it gets will be a bigger boost than radio play.

[Bandon]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

My comment is being misconstrued... I didn't say that "Down On Rodeo" would get "big time radio play" or that Lindsey is going to sell millions again (wait, did he ever sell millions on his own?). I just tend to think that when DJs across the United States get that promo CD, they're going to opt not to play "Show You How," whereas they would be more inclined to give "Down On Rodeo" a chance.

The thing is, I have no idea what kind of numbers Warner/Reprise might be eyeing for this release. I'm sure it's something far more reasonable than what they expected for 'Say You Will,' but if it doesn't do at least what 'Out Of The Cradle' did (roughly 54,000 copies), then the danger is there that we won't get that electric album Lindsey has been talking about.

That's the only reason I want this album to get as much attention and as broad of an audience as possible.

You did a great job of articulating my point.