Tom Petty June 9,2006 Charlotte, NC torrent

[carrie721]

Originally Posted by Mageboy25

CALL ME STUPID, whats the damn difference between having a show on DIME and having the MP3s posted here or another site? Isn't DIME all MP3s too? Most of us can't log into DIME. Its all under the table bootleging, like DIME is more classier than another avenue.

no, mp3's are lossy and there is no lossy material allowed on dime. you can only torrent lossless audio on dime (usually flac files). they're not trying to keep these shows relegated to dime, they're just trying to maintain the quality of the sound.

EDIT: whoops, yeah, what paula said!

[Mageboy25]

Well until EVERYONE can log into DIME, like anyone can watch everything on youtube....I say screw DIME and put the show on other websites!

[David]

Originally Posted by skcin

No, the stuff on Dime is NOT mp3s, it's torrents. Much better quality, much clearer sound.

The thing that confuses me about dime/bit torrent is that a lot of the Fleetwood stuff up there has lost a lot of its dynamic range because it has been duped from cassette to cassette for many years, in some cases. The loss of dynamic range going from cassette to cassette is much greater than it is going electronically from WAV/flac to high-bitrate MP3.

The other thing is that there's no way of knowing whether what is "lossless" today (for example, in WAV or flac format) was in MP3 format generations ago. You can certainly use a freeware program like CDex to convert from MP3 into WAV, but you're certainly not gaining anything in dynamic range.

To me, as far as I can tell, the usefulness of remaining lossless on Dime is only in select cases: when the guy who tapes the show on a cassette converts that audio directly into WAV/flac & then uploads it to Dime, where it stays in WAV/equivalent lossless.

But for old, old shows--like Fleetwood Mac at the ... whatever ... Irvine Meadows 1982--shows which have been passed around in every possible format, losing more & more dynamic range with each analog dubbing, bit torrent is pretty much worthless. UNLESS you can find the master copy & then upload that without compressing the signal to a torrent. But how often does THAT happen? Not often, I gather.

[nodmod]

Originally Posted by nodmod

Would be nice that when the DIME members get TP Charlotte show downloaded, can they seed on http://www.throwndown-videos.net/bt/ for the members who cannot access DIME.

The show is now posted on Thrown Down
- http://www.throwndown-videos.net/bt/

where everyone can access it in lossless form

[carrie721]

Originally Posted by David

The thing that confuses me about dime/bit torrent is that a lot of the Fleetwood stuff up there has lost a lot of its dynamic range because it has been duped from cassette to cassette for many years, in some cases. The loss of dynamic range going from cassette to cassette is much greater than it is going electronically from WAV/flac to high-bitrate MP3.

The other thing is that there's no way of knowing whether what is "lossless" today (for example, in WAV or flac format) was in MP3 format generations ago. You can certainly use a freeware program like CDex to convert from MP3 into WAV, but you're certainly not gaining anything in dynamic range.

To me, as far as I can tell, the usefulness of remaining lossless on Dime is only in select cases: when the guy who tapes the show on a cassette converts that audio directly into WAV/flac & then uploads it to Dime, where it stays in WAV/equivalent lossless.

But for old, old shows--like Fleetwood Mac at the ... whatever ... Irvine Meadows 1982--shows which have been passed around in every possible format, losing more & more dynamic range with each analog dubbing, bit torrent is pretty much worthless. UNLESS you can find the master copy & then upload that without compressing the signal to a torrent. But how often does THAT happen? Not often, I gather.

it's true that the restrictions on lossy audio may not be useful for older shows (not only because of dubbing but also because many recorders had a limited dynamic range to begin with), but for newer shows, it's nice to have a place where you can get lossless recordings. the new shows are almost always converted to wavs without any dubbing.

[carrie721]

Originally Posted by Mageboy25

Well until EVERYONE can log into DIME, like anyone can watch everything on youtube....I say screw DIME and put the show on other websites!

everyone CAN log onto dime, it can just take time to register there. and somebody did upload it to throwndown, as neil said. there you go.

[Glittermoondust]

Hmmmm...... I just signed up and it let me right in--but I don't have a clue what I'm doing

[carrie721]

Originally Posted by Glittermoondust

Hmmmm...... I just signed up and it let me right in--but I don't have a clue what I'm doing

check out this thread:

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?t=25579

[Glittermoondust]

Originally Posted by carrie721

check out this thread:

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?t=25579

Okay thanks! I'll have to see if I can figure it out.........

[WelshWitchPMD]

Would someone be able to put this lossless show on to CDs for me? I have tons of stuff to trade. Please.

[estranged4life]

Originally Posted by WelshWitchPMD

Would someone be able to put this lossless show on to CDs for me? I have tons of stuff to trade. Please.

email me, I will make ya copies of the disc if no else has already offered to.

I was going to take time away from trading, but afer a long discussion with someone who's opinion matters I will stay at it, Just wont work myself into the ground as before.

[SNicksed]

Originally Posted by WelshWitchPMD

Would someone be able to put this lossless show on to CDs for me? I have tons of stuff to trade. Please.

I can give you a copy at the Mansfield show. Let me know.

[skcin]

Dammit! I got onto Dime, but my upload keeps stopping at about 25%. I'm trying again while I'm at work, so we'll see if it worked when I get home. If not, I'll give Throwndown a go tonight.

[Janis_no1]

Im using dime now, just started trying to download it... ooo im already at 4.6%..

Though guys, im reading about the diff between torrents, mp3's and wav, but i dont know what this lossless is??

[Janis_no1]

Now im at 56%!! Cool !! if you lok at my post above i think its 40mins of downloading to get to that... over here in aus too.. YAY