Amnesty: Do You Support It Or Deprecate It?

[irishgrl]

Originally Posted by DrummerDeanna

Oh I know - but as a Mexican American it's sometimes hard to separate the issue from the racial. Although - my family and I are all against illegal immigration. No, in fact I enjoy reading all of the articles and things you have been posting on the topic.

Thanks sweetie! you've always been fair minded and I know this is a hard issue but remember the folks that sneak across, or use fake ID, make things harder for those of you that are following the rules! Thats what I'M against: the blatant disregard of the law just to get into this country and take advantage of our social service programs and our employment opportunities (at the expense of legal immigrants or legal citizens, mind you).......so anyway, rest easy. Im not an isolationist.

[DrummerDeanna]

Originally Posted by irishgrl

Thanks sweetie! you've always been fair minded and I know this is a hard issue but remember the folks that sneak across, or use fake ID, make things harder for those of you that are following the rules! Thats what I'M against: the blatant disregard of the law just to get into this country and take advantage of our social service programs and our employment opportunities (at the expense of legal immigrants or legal citizens, mind you).......so anyway, rest easy. Im not an isolationist.

LOL...well I play by the rules by virtue of the fact that I, my parents and my parents parents were lucky enough to be born here Prior to that I think that we may have been down south - but the border crossed us kind of thing - I'm doing some research into that

Either way - breaking the law is breaking the law - and that, to me, is the bottom line in this issue - it's illegal and therefore the appropriate action should be taken. What that is...well I don't know...but I do agree that something needs to be done.

[irishgrl]

Originally Posted by DrummerDeanna

breaking the law is breaking the law - and that, to me, is the bottom line in this issue - it's illegal and therefore the appropriate action should be taken.

exactly. black is black. (I want my baby back)

[Rickypt]

Originally Posted by irishgrl

Ryan, Illegal Immigrants are NOT eligible for benefits for THEMSELVES but if they have babies born here, they are brought in under various other programs, most notably Medi-Cal, WIC and School Lunch programs.

So, it's the children who get Medi-Cal, not the parents? I keep trying to clarify this because it's important in my overall analysis of the situation. Health care for kids is way cheaper than for adults. So while it's one thing to say that all these anchor babies are getting Medi-Cal, it's another to say exactly how much that is costing us. I realize a lot of people, including you, think one dime is too much. I get that argument, but my take on the situation depends how much we are really spending overall.

I just saw a stat that says we spent $2.5 billion on Medicaid for illegal immigrants. Which, yes, is a lot of money that could be spent on other services, and at the same time is a drop in the bucket of the overall federal budget. Bush just cut Medicaid spending by double that in the Deficit Reduction Act.

That is why we need to stop the flow of illegals, because their KIDS are going to cost us all a mint!

I'm still not convinced that it will cost us a mint, but I'm still researching and analyzing. Data I've found shows the difference between costs related to providing benefits to illegal immigrants minus taxes paid by them to be $10 billion. I think that's about what we're paying per month for the Iraq War.

Not trying to compare funding illegal immigration with funding war, as I know many are against both, but I'm just trying to determine what I consider to be a mint, especially when I weigh in the humanitarian factors.

Anyway, so you know, I have learned quite a bit and am considering factors that I hadn't thought about earlier, like the economic impact of having a massive influx of legalized people who are lesser educated. I just haven't had time to think it all through comprehensively.

I don't see it as black is black. I think it's gray. Laws can be amended if they aren't workable or appropriate. And forgiveness is part of a humanitarian response to many issues. The argument that they broke the law therefore they have to go is one that I just don't agree with.

[irishgrl]

Originally Posted by Rickypt

So, it's the children who get Medi-Cal, not the parents? I keep trying to clarify this because it's important in my overall analysis of the situation. Health care for kids is way cheaper than for adults. So while it's one thing to say that all these anchor babies are getting Medi-Cal, it's another to say exactly how much that is costing us. I realize a lot of people, including you, think one dime is too much. I get that argument, but my take on the situation depends how much we are really spending overall.

I just saw a stat that says we spent $2.5 billion on Medicaid for illegal immigrants. Which, yes, is a lot of money that could be spent on other services, and at the same time is a drop in the bucket of the overall federal budget. Bush just cut Medicaid spending by double that in the Deficit Reduction Act.



I'm still not convinced that it will cost us a mint, but I'm still researching and analyzing. Data I've found shows the difference between costs related to providing benefits to illegal immigrants minus taxes paid by them to be $10 billion. I think that's about what we're paying per month for the Iraq War.

Not trying to compare funding illegal immigration with funding war, as I know many are against both, but I'm just trying to determine what I consider to be a mint, especially when I weigh in the humanitarian factors.

Anyway, so you know, I have learned quite a bit and am considering factors that I hadn't thought about earlier, like the economic impact of having a massive influx of legalized people who are lesser educated. I just haven't had time to think it all through comprehensively.

I don't see it as black is black. I think it's gray. Laws can be amended if they aren't workable or appropriate. And forgiveness is part of a humanitarian response to many issues. The argument that they broke the law therefore they have to go is one that I just don't agree with.

well.........on the one hand, Im glad you're open minded enough to see this all has a price tag. on the other hand, apparently you dont realize we are talking about ILLEGAL aliens here, not naturalized citizens.........and Yes, it does cost this country $$$$$ whether its paid at the state.fed/local level...

[Rickypt]

Originally Posted by irishgrl

on the other hand, apparently you dont realize we are talking aboit ILLEGAL aliens here, not naturalized citizens

Why do you think that? I think I've been very clear that this discussion is about illegal immigrants. I yield that it costs the country money, I yield that it is money paying for people here who came to the country illegally, and my argument thus far is that I am not sure the cost is high enough to warrant my own outrage regardless of their status here.

Besides the whole thread is about do we make these 14 million people legal or send them home. I think it is possible to support amnesty for these folks, along with reform that makes it harder for people to keep coming illegally in such large numbers.

Gotta go....

[irishgrl]

Originally Posted by Rickypt

Why do you think that? I think I've been very clear that this discussion is about illegal immigrants. I yield that it costs the country money, I yield that it is money paying for people here who came to the country illegally, and my argument thus far is that I am not sure the cost is high enough to warrant my own outrage regardless of their status here.

Besides the whole thread is about do we make these 14 million people legal or send them home. I think it is possible to support amnesty for these folks, along with reform that makes it harder for people to keep coming illegally in such large numbers.

Gotta go....

Ok, just to clarify, illegal immigrants who come here and have their children, receive (on behalf of the kids), cash aid, foodstamps and medical. they themselves do not receive cash or foodstamps but they DO get medi-CAL. they can also get WIC and school lunches.

as for the numbers. I posted enough articles that prove that supporting illegal immagrants is an outrage. go back to page 1 and later pages... In my opinion we do NOT foot the bill for people who arent supposed to be here in the first place.

sorry......IMO, they need to go home and start OVER.