How are you different from every other ledgie?

[SortaSavageLike]

I am 20 years old, male, and perfectly straight.

I could care less if I never heard Go Your Own Way again.

I can say that many of Fleetwood Mac's songs are cheesy and that I still love them with a straight face.

I love Tusk so much I bought two copies within six months of each other.

I prefer the Rumours version of YMLF way more than the Dance version.

I think that Tusk is incoherant, but in a good way.

I am uncomfortable about discussing my fandom in public.

I think that Everywhere is a boring song.

I think that Never Make Me Cry is pretty decent.

Seven Wonders (the song) annoys the hell out of me.

I feel that Stevie should start acting her age more often, and lay off the pancake makeup and enviable blond hair.

I think that Lindsey's songwriting has come to an abrupt halt simply because he's run out of bitter things to say about Stevie.

I'm broke, and the only studio albums I own are Tusk and Mystery to Me.

The first time I listened to Mystery to Me, the heavens didn't part, and angels didn't come down from the sky and convince me about the wrongdoings of my way.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Also adding to my list...

---There is no Fleetwood Mac w/o Christine (IMO)

---I was going to say that I am probably the only one who actually enjoys every single song on Mirage and consider it one of their best (but Curtis beat me to it. )

---I think Christine is the Messiah and I worship at her thrown. I know that when I die she has prepared a mansion in Kent just for Mary Anne, Homer, me and all of the other Chris nuts on the ledge...

---Although I do think they were close friends at one point...I don't think that Stevie and Christine were anywhere as close as Stevie would have us believe...I know Christine just rolls her eyes when she hears/reads Stevie make such comments.

---If there was a bitch fight between Christine and Stevie...Christine would win! It would be close...with Stevie knocking Chris down with her super huge tambourine...but Chris would score the last big blow by dropping a Fender Rhodes on her head (and all those who own one or have tried to lift one...KNOW that this puppy would put anyone in the ground!)

[David]

Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

---I think Christine is the Messiah and I worship at her thrown. I know that when I die she has prepared a mansion in Kent just for Mary Anne, Homer, me and all of the other Chris nuts on the ledge...

I doubt she'd do any such thing, even in someone's lurid fantasy. The kind of disturbed, hypertrophic idolatry some people show -- with absolutely no sense of balance, proportion or discernment -- is probably a characteristic that Christine would find more than a little creepy & would want to steer clear of in a group of fans.

It pains me to see my pal Homer (whom I brought to the Ledge) refuse to say anything really new or insightful about Chris for fear of sounding "disrespectful" of "the goddess." I just get platitudes--like the Maria Montez worshippers in "Cobra Woman"-- & afterward, I don't know anything more about Christine & I don't know anything more about what makes Dave tick.

The thing is, fans do Christine no honor at all by deifing her, placing her on some cosmic pedestal beyond all reach or powers of perception or criticism. The only thing that demonstrates is complete misinterpretation & gross misunderstanding of her special qualities. Chris is all about maintaining your composure, your sense of discernment, your lack of bull****, & your sense of humor--as is plainly evident in her no-nonsense songwriting, plaintive but grounded singing & her subtle, rhythmic playing, even to the most obtuse Stevie fan. This willfully blind worshipping, whereby all analysis, weighing, sifting, comparing & criticizing are recoiled from, is completely alien to Christine's style & musical signature.

This goes for blind idolators of Chris, Lindsey, Stevie, Peter or even John: You're not *more* of a fan by refusing to analyze or criticize or put into context. You're just a more ridiculous fan.

Now this is all my opinion, naturally. Others might feel totally different about it all. In fact, I have a sneaking suspicion that some definitely do.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Originally Posted by David

I doubt she'd do any such thing, even in someone's lurid fantasy. The kind of disturbed, hypertrophic idolatry some people show -- with absolutely no sense of balance, proportion or discernment -- is probably a characteristic that Christine would find more than a little creepy & would want to steer clear of in a group of fans.

It pains me to see my pal Homer (whom I brought to the Ledge) refuse to say anything really new or insightful about Chris for fear of sounding "disrespectful" of "the goddess." I just get platitudes--like the Maria Montez worshippers in "Cobra Woman"-- & afterward, I don't know anything more about Christine & I don't know anything more about what makes Dave tick.

The thing is, fans do Christine no honor at all by deifing her, placing her on some cosmic pedestal beyond all reach or powers of perception or criticism. The only thing that demonstrates is complete misinterpretation & gross misunderstanding of her special qualities. Chris is all about maintaining your composure, your sense of discernment, your lack of bull****, & your sense of humor--as is plainly evident in her no-nonsense songwriting, plaintive but grounded singing & her subtle, rhythmic playing, even to the most obtuse Stevie fan. This willfully blind worshipping, whereby all analysis, weighing, sifting, comparing & criticizing are recoiled from, is completely alien to Christine's style & musical signature.

This goes for blind idolators of Chris, Lindsey, Stevie, Peter or even John: You're not *more* of a fan by refusing to analyze or criticize or put into context. You're just a more ridiculous fan.

Now this is all my opinion, naturally. Others might feel totally different about it all. In fact, I have a sneaking suspicion that some definitely do.

dude...relax it was a joke...

you, obviously, have just a bit too much time on your hands when you start to over analyze. whaaa? david, over analyze? no way...

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by David

It pains me to see my pal Homer (whom I brought to the Ledge) refuse to say anything really new or insightful about Chris for fear of sounding "disrespectful" of "the goddess." I just get platitudes--like the Maria Montez worshippers in "Cobra Woman"-- & afterward, I don't know anything more about Christine & I don't know anything more about what makes Dave tick.

David, oh David. You're so analytical. While Christine is, hands down, my favorite, these past few years, I'm NOT afraid to say something negative about her.....here you go....I've never cared much for Warm Ways, or Only Over You, or Mystified. They're okay songs, but I don't love them.

You always want me to go on, ad infinitum, about WHY I love Chris. The following is from your next paragraph:

Originally Posted by David

"Chris is all about maintaining your composure, your sense of discernment, your lack of bull****, & your sense of humor--as is plainly evident in her no-nonsense songwriting, plaintive but grounded singing & her subtle, rhythmic playing, even to the most obtuse Stevie fan."

See, THIS is why I love her. Because it's NOT about fanaticism, about some idiot singer's PERSONALITY, over the quality of their work. What you see, is what you get. The fact that she could mix in, as my next door neighbor, only endears her more to me. The fact that I would be very nervous, meeting her, maybe has something to do with being a huge fan, since 7th grade. When I don't follow FM, I usually follow alt-country. Inane crap like...."how they dance", just isn't important to me anymore(actually is a major turnoff). Give me a nice voice, doing a nice song, and I'm happy. When a bunch of extraneous bull**** gets involved, I lose interest pretty quickly.

Originally Posted by David

The thing is, fans do Christine no honor at all by deifing her, placing her on some cosmic pedestal beyond all reach or powers of perception or criticism. The only thing that demonstrates is complete misinterpretation & gross misunderstanding of her special qualities. Chris is all about maintaining your composure, your sense of discernment, your lack of bull****, & your sense of humor--as is plainly evident in her no-nonsense songwriting, plaintive but grounded singing & her subtle, rhythmic playing, even to the most obtuse Stevie fan. This willfully blind worshipping, whereby all analysis, weighing, sifting, comparing & criticizing are recoiled from, is completely alien to Christine's style & musical signature.

I love her. I don't worship her. Worship is for gods. I'm not real big on that stuff!


And, as is often the case, for the past few months, I've had family staying at my house. I don't know about you, but when someone is talking to me 24/freaking 7, "I" find it hard to really come up with a decent response, trying to block their incessant blather out. So, I might opt for a, Bah, bah, bah!
Would that I could, I, once upon a time, might have been as analytical as you. I killed that guy. He just thought too much. He died a very painless death!

I'm glad that you are my friend, David.

[elie]

Originally Posted by David

This goes for blind idolators of Chris, Lindsey, Stevie, Peter or even John: You're not *more* of a fan by refusing to analyze or criticize or put into context. You're just a more ridiculous fan.

Now this is all my opinion, naturally. Others might feel totally different about it all. In fact, I have a sneaking suspicion that some definitely do.

Couldn't agree more. I have a friend who idolized an artist (not a FM one) for many years and she was completely obsessed. It got to such a ridiculous point that when he made a couple of albums that she didn't like - not for "objective " artistic reasons but because she thought were inferior, she almost wanted to throw away her old records. Now that's a totally childish behaviour.
It sooo gets on my nerves seeing fans acting like the artist is creating music (or whatever, depending on the art) just for their sake and get totally nuts over something or, on the contrary, disappointed over a not so good record, as if it were a "boyfriend" who let them down

[PsychCat]

Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

Also adding to my list...

---There is no Fleetwood Mac w/o Christine (IMO)

---I was going to say that I am probably the only one who actually enjoys every single song on Mirage and consider it one of their best (but Curtis beat me to it. )

---I think Christine is the Messiah and I worship at her thrown. I know that when I die she has prepared a mansion in Kent just for Mary Anne, Homer, me and all of the other Chris nuts on the ledge...

---Although I do think they were close friends at one point...I don't think that Stevie and Christine were anywhere as close as Stevie would have us believe...

You, my friend, are correct! I like your thinking.
I (heart) Mirage! I still totally enjoy it.... loved it then, love it now.
"Gypsy" is still one of my fave Stevie songs.
As far as them being friends, what an incredible mentor Christine might have been for someone like Stevie when they first got together. Of course, I'm sure all the garbage going on back then probably didn't help.
And count me in in the mansion in Kent. If that ain't heaven, perhaps we could at least see it from there.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by SortaSavageLike

I'm broke, and the only studio albums I own are Tusk and Mystery to Me.

The first time I listened to Mystery to Me, the heavens didn't part, and angels didn't come down from the sky and convince me about the wrongdoings of my way.

From my experience, it took a while for MTM to grow on me, which I think is what makes it so strong. I'm old enough to have been around when "Hypnotized" got a lot of airplay on the classic rock stations, so I immediately recognized the song when I played the album. It wasn't until I began listening to a wide range of music that I really began to appreciate it's subtle brilliance. To be sure, there are a few songs on there I tend to skip, but of ALL the Fleetwood Mac albums, it's the one I find myself listening to the most. Incidentally, "Tusk" and "Then Play On" would be my second and third (no particular order) most listened to. So, I think you're definitely on the right track. These aren't the type of albums that make the heavens part on first listen, but they're still interesting after the 10,000th or so play, which is more than can be said of most Fleetwood Mac albums. (I NEVER need to hear anything released by Fleetwood Mac in the 1980s ever again.)

[The Tower]

Originally Posted by SortaSavageLike

I could care less if I never heard Go Your Own Way again.

Hell yeah. That song blows.

I prefer the Rumours version of YMLF way more than the Dance version.

I am uncomfortable about discussing my fandom in public.

I don't like bringing it up for fear of having to deal with the disdain... and the entire cluelessness.

I think that Everywhere is a boring song.

I think that "Everywhere" is a piece of **** and one of Christine's worst songs ever. I'll never understand why that crap gets into live sets and the masterpiece that is "Think About Me" has never been played live.

Seven Wonders (the song) annoys the hell out of me.

Agreed. Tango Stevie Sux.

Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

---I think Christine is the Messiah and I worship at her thrown.

What did she throw?? Her thrown what???? It couldn't be "Thrown Down"- that's a Stevie song fer chrissake....

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Originally Posted by The Tower

"Think About Me" has never been played live.

Oh yes it has...

But it wasn't played enough...