How are you different from every other ledgie?

[David]

Originally Posted by Miss Vicky

What I like about Lindsey Buckingham are the things that make him unique, or at least unusual, among his peers - his style of guitar playing and the risks he takes in terms of production and the way he layers sounds. There's nothing risky about the sound of Rumours, it's pleasant but it lacks the magic that made albums like Tusk, Go Insane, Out of the Cradle, and what would have been (and maybe still will be) Gift of Screws great.

Oh, come on. His style of guitar playing as well as "the way he layers sounds" are ALL OVER RUMOURS, from the slinky transparency of "Dreams" to the Appalachianified "Chain" to the expressionistic mixture of psychedelia & roots music of "Gold Dust Woman" & on & on.

If you truly believe that his singular characteristics can't be found on that album in abundance, you're smoking too much weed. Name some other songs from the late 1970s (but which predate Rumours or which weren't obviously influenced by Rumours) whose arrangements & textures are similar to "The Chain," "Second Hand News" or "Gold Dust Woman" -- or even "Silver Springs."

As for risks in production, locate me some of them production risks on the albums "Not Shy" & "Fundamental Roll." I've got all year, so take your time.

[David]

Originally Posted by bretonbanquet

Oh yes they can, and they have several times. Mick and John are Fleetwood Mac, the only constant members. They don't just play drums and bass - they are what makes Fleetwood Mac tick - they've proved it (on and off) over 40 years. They could do an album with Britney Spears and Rod Stewart and it'd still be Fleetwood Mac

And that's a good thing?

[bretonbanquet]

Originally Posted by David

And that's a good thing?

Well, no of course that particular monstrosity wouldn't be a good thing, but it would be Fleetwood Mac, if that's what they wanted it to be.

[Miss Vicky]

Originally Posted by David

As for risks in production, locate me some of them production risks on the albums "Not Shy" & "Fundamental Roll." I've got all year, so take your time.

Did I miss something? What the hell do those albums have to do with why I like Lindsey Buckingham? Or why I don't like Rumours?

I don't like Rumours because it bores me, plain and simple, and I really don't care if you like that opinion or not.

[David]

Originally Posted by Miss Vicky

I don't like Rumours because it bores me, plain and simple, and I really don't care if you like that opinion or not.

I wasn't looking to like your opinion; I was looking for self-consistency in your opinion.

Let me say this, Miss Vicky: you are one of the coolest people here on the Ledge. I almost always zoom in to your posts first because I want to read them first. So I will always try to engage you in discussion & debate. I hope you don't put me on "ignore" for that reason.

[Miss Vicky]

Originally Posted by David

I wasn't looking to like your opinion; I was looking for self-consistency in your opinion.

If you're looking for self-consistency, you're barking up the wrong proverbial tree.

I? Was a chiffonhead and a SHIPPER at one point in my fandom, if you can believe it.

To answer your question: There are no production risks in Fundamental Roll or Not Shy. They're just light and fun and catchy and I love them for that. But the music that Walter created long after his collaborations with the various Mac members is what I love most and is the reason why I am a true Egan fan and not just a casual listener.

EDIT: BTW, there's no risk of you being put on ignore. If I were to make a list of members that have annoyed or flat out pissed me off at one point or another, it would fill my screen, but the number of members on my ignore list? None. I thrive on friction too much to do that.

[David]

Originally Posted by bretonbanquet

Well, no of course that particular monstrosity wouldn't be a good thing, but it would be Fleetwood Mac, if that's what they wanted it to be.

There are two different ideational perspectives here: one sociological, one aesthetic/psychological.

The sociological perspective consists in the fact that Mick & John operate the band essentially, which means that by joining or leaving Fleetwood Mac, you are joining or leaving the rhythm section, because the name stays with the rhythm section.

The aesthetic/psychological perspective consists in the response many people have to the abstraction of an entity such as a rock band. That response reflects a psychological identification with a certain configuration -- a configuration not based on logistical or even legal aspects but based on the partially overt, partially subliminal conceptualizing power of the cerebellum & the cerebral cortex, which renders such ideation in emotive terms & then turns in on itself so that all sense of presence is merely deferred in increments that are themselves correspondent with levels of emotional experience.

[David]

Originally Posted by Miss Vicky

EDIT: BTW, there's no risk of you being put on ignore. If I were to make a list of members that have annoyed or flat out pissed me off at one point or another, it would fill my screen, but the number of members on my ignore list? None. I thrive on friction too much to do that.

I had to put one person on my ignore list just a week or two ago, but she actually requested it.

The other few people on my ignore list are there because they don't ever say anything that elicits any sort of reaction from me.

[Miss Vicky]

Originally Posted by David

I had to put one person on my ignore list just a week or two ago, but she actually requested it.

The other few people on my ignore list are there because they don't ever say anything that elicits any sort of reaction from me.

Well my posts generally illicit reactions from people in the form of comments to the effect of:

"You're racist."
"You're sexist."
"You must hate yourself."

Oh, and I got a "You're stupid" from at least one Ledgie.

So I find it rather amusing that my posts are among the first that you read.

[kenzo]

I'm different from every other Ledgie because I REFUSE to take part in these insipid polls... wait... damn.

[Lindsey Jr.]

Originally Posted by Miss Vicky

Well, I can't say that in terms of Fleetwood Mac, there's really anything that makes me different from EVERY other Ledgie, but there are some things that make me different from MOST other Ledgies.

1) I LOVE Time and Behind the Mask.
2) I don't like Rumours.
3) I think the performances on Live In Boston are superior to The Dance. And I don't mean the way they sound, but more the energy of the performances.
4) I don't miss Christine. I like her, but I don't miss her.
5) I think Bekka Bramlett's voice is superior to Steve Nicks'.
6) I believe that anytime that Mick and John do an album and call it Fleetwood Mac, no matter who is fronting the group, IT IS FLEETWOOD MAC.

You're right about 3,4 & 6.

[bretonbanquet]

Originally Posted by David

The aesthetic/psychological perspective consists in the response many people have to the abstraction of an entity such as a rock band. That response reflects a psychological identification with a certain configuration -- a configuration not based on logistical or even legal aspects but based on the partially overt, partially subliminal conceptualizing power of the cerebellum & the cerebral cortex, which renders such ideation in emotive terms & then turns in on itself so that all sense of presence is merely deferred in increments that are themselves correspondent with levels of emotional experience.

Despite your bizarre attempt to render your opinion unfathomable to everyone else, I get your point - but I don't agree with you. Regardless of what everyone else identifies with as being Fleetwood Mac, Fleetwood Mac is what John and Mick say it is.

[PsychCat]

Originally Posted by bretonbanquet

Despite your bizarre attempt to render your opinion unfathomable to everyone else, I get your point......

No kidding.
Nothing like being talked down to on an internet board about a rock band.
But as a great mind once wrote.... oh, well.

[David]

Originally Posted by PsychCat

No kidding.
Nothing like being talked down to on an internet board about a rock band.
But as a great mind once wrote.... oh, well.

That whooshing sound you hear is the joke flying over your head.

By the way, this doesn't have anything to do with your introduction to the board via a childish cocktease, does it? Just checking ....

[Miss Vicky]

Originally Posted by trackaghost

I don't find OOTC risky at all I have to say. What's risky about it? It's such a smooth sounding pop record.

I don't know what kind of pop you listen to, but it doesn't sound like anything else I've ever heard.