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[dissention]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

laugh at the idea that people despise her for that or laugh at that fact that I think the good she did outweighed that?

Laugh at the fact that you consider that wench to be a "saint."

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by dissention

Laugh at the fact that you consider that wench to be a "saint."

She did do so much good for so many. In fact, exponentially far more than you or I will ever do So, yes, though she is a human being and had faults, she was as good as she could have been in her faith and billions were better for it. But, I know I know - night day - black white - hot cold - etc. - and I love ya for it

[dissention]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

She did do so much good for so many. In fact, exponentially far more than you or I will ever do So, yes, though she is a human being and had faults, she was as good as she could have been in her faith and billions were better for it. But, I know I know - night day - black white - hot cold - etc. - and I love ya for it

Methinks you don't know all that much about that little witch other than what's been regurgitated in the mainstream press about her supposed "good deeds." She's proof positive that religion is what's been wrong with this world since day one. Paint it whatever color you want, but I'm not about to fawn over a single thing that she did.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by dissention

Methinks you don't know all that much about that little witch other than what's been regurgitated in the mainstream press about her supposed "good deeds." She's proof positive that religion is what's been wrong with this world since day one. Paint it whatever color you want, but I'm not about to fawn over a single thing that she did.

I knew a Sister who worked in her organization and knew her.

But, I guess you are correct, she never tended to the sick, clothed and fed the poor, and inspired no one

Now, if you want to say religion is a bad thing and through that she hurt people, sure she did.

I am not a fan of wiki - but his is pretty good and seemingly a fair and balanced portrayal:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Mo...eresa/Archive3

[dissention]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I knew a Sister who worked in her organization and knew her.

That's nice. Your point?

But, I guess you are correct, she never tended to the sick, clothed and fed the poor, and inspired no one

We're talking about the stout little witch that praised Gandhi after he suspended civil liberties in India in the mid-seventies. The same witch that took millions upon millons of dollars from people via donations and never once built a single hospital in India, instead her and the Vatican funneled it to missionary work in Africa, while telling the people who donated the money that it was going to build health care facilities in India. I can go on and on if you'd like me to.

Now, if you want to say religion is a bad thing and through that she hurt people, sure she did.

She sure did.

[SomeKindaMother]

Originally Posted by dissention

That's nice. Your point?



We're talking about the stout little witch that praised Gandhi after he suspended civil liberties in India in the mid-seventies. The same witch that took millions upon millons of dollars from people via donations and never once built a single hospital in India, instead her and the Vatican funneled it to missionary work in Africa, while telling the people who donated the money that it was going to build health care facilities in India. I can go on and on if you'd like me to.



She sure did.

This is a woman who lived her life in poverty, as I’m sure you know. Poverty…by choice. The *only* thing she wanted to do was care for God’s most needy people. You don’t have to believe in God to recognize that sort of dedication. You think she was an accountant? A businesswoman? An activist? No, she never claimed to be. She didn’t even want publicity for herself and took absolutely no credit for any good deed she ever did. I don’t know a thing about money given nor do I care. It doesn’t take one thing away from the good she did. You can think she should have stood up for or against whatever you want. That wasn’t what she felt her purpose was. She just wanted to help individual suffering. If you didn’t do the same, live the same, understand the inner dynamics of what was going on, then you really have little idea of what you’re talking about with your small portion of a distorted story you’ve heard/read.

I don’t intend to get into a debate with you. I have no doubt you are fully capable of tearing me, Mother Theresa, and God all to bits. You don’t revere her, fine. But the fact that you could use such vile descriptions of a person who dedicated her life to the service of others is almost beyond my comprehension. You’ve condemned her for not doing enough? Please.

Kelly

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Originally Posted by SomeKindaMother

This is a woman who lived her life in poverty, as I’m sure you know. Poverty…by choice. The *only* thing she wanted to do was care for God’s most needy people. You don’t have to believe in God to recognize that sort of dedication. You think she was an accountant? A businesswoman? An activist? No, she never claimed to be. She didn’t even want publicity for herself and took absolutely no credit for any good deed she ever did. I don’t know a thing about money given nor do I care. It doesn’t take one thing away from the good she did. You can think she should have stood up for or against whatever you want. That wasn’t what she felt her purpose was. She just wanted to help individual suffering. If you didn’t do the same, live the same, understand the inner dynamics of what was going on, then you really have little idea of what you’re talking about with your small portion of a distorted story you’ve heard/read.

I don’t intend to get into a debate with you. I have no doubt you are fully capable of tearing me, Mother Theresa, and God all to bits. You don’t revere her, fine. But the fact that you could use such vile descriptions of a person who dedicated her life to the service of others is almost beyond my comprehension. You’ve condemned her for not doing enough? Please.

Kelly

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by SomeKindaMother

This is a woman who lived her life in poverty, as I’m sure you know. Poverty…by choice. The *only* thing she wanted to do was care for God’s most needy people. You don’t have to believe in God to recognize that sort of dedication. You think she was an accountant? A businesswoman? An activist? No, she never claimed to be. She didn’t even want publicity for herself and took absolutely no credit for any good deed she ever did. I don’t know a thing about money given nor do I care. It doesn’t take one thing away from the good she did. You can think she should have stood up for or against whatever you want. That wasn’t what she felt her purpose was. She just wanted to help individual suffering. If you didn’t do the same, live the same, understand the inner dynamics of what was going on, then you really have little idea of what you’re talking about with your small portion of a distorted story you’ve heard/read.

I don’t intend to get into a debate with you. I have no doubt you are fully capable of tearing me, Mother Theresa, and God all to bits. You don’t revere her, fine. But the fact that you could use such vile descriptions of a person who dedicated her life to the service of others is almost beyond my comprehension. You’ve condemned her for not doing enough? Please.

Kelly

I agree. However, you have to understand Dissention - no matter how many people this woman clothed and fed and inspired, he cannot see past any faults and has an overall need to bitch about them - and I love him for it

[amber]

Originally Posted by SomeKindaMother

I. But the fact that you could use such vile descriptions of a person who dedicated her life to the service of others is almost beyond my comprehension. You’ve condemned her for not doing enough? Please.

Kelly

I'm no expert, but I believe he condemned her for taking millions of dollars in donations ostensibly to help people in India, but really it was funnelled into missionary work in Africa through the Vatican. In other words, if that is true, she lied, lied, stole. Is it still really being of service to someone if you are simultaneously stealing from them and duping the donors who wanted to help?
So, what is her "service to others" ? Are you speaking of her service to the Vatican? Because it looks like that's who she was really "helping".
He wasn't saying she didn't do enough, he was saying she did wrong - ie lie, cheat, and steal, which she did in the guise of religious faith.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I am not a fan of wiki - but his is pretty good and seemingly a fair and balanced portrayal:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Mo...eresa/Archive3

Ha! Bless his heart, Mother Teresa is about the only thing I'll ever really agree with Christopher Hitchens on.

How anyone can call that witch a saint is beyond my comprehension.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Originally Posted by dissention

Laugh at the fact that you consider that wench to be a "saint."

And I wonder why am I considered the soulless one after such comments as the one above.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

And I wonder why am I considered the soulless one after such comments as the one above.

Why? Because you seemingly have no respect for the plights of other people who don't live lives that are as advantageous as your own, as demonstrated by the numerous stements you've made in the past, while probably holding that witch in as high regard as Jason. Show me the hospitals she was supposed to build with all the money that she took. Explain to me why she was praising the state of India after it was stripped of civil liberties. Explain to me why people received such disgusting medical care even though it's estimated that hundreds of millions were donated. Explain to me what she meant when she said that the world is being helped by poor people suffering and accepting it.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Originally Posted by dissention

Why? Because you seemingly have no respect for the plights of other people who don't live lives that are as advantageous as your own,

Oh Josh please get off that high horse you are on.

What have YOU done to better the world? What have you done that helps you sleep well at night? In your nice, comfortable bed...in your nice warm apartment...and other times sitting in front of your computer day in and day out. Sell the bitch, donate the money to what you consider a worthy charity and go live in a box on the streets somewhere...

[dissention]

Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

Oh Josh please get off that high horse you are on.

What have YOU done to better the world? What have you done that helps you sleep well at night? In your nice, comfortable bed...in your nice warm apartment...and other times sitting in front of your computer day in and day out. Sell the bitch, donate the money to what you consider a worthy charity and go live in a box on the streets somewhere...

I see you're incapable of explaining any of those things involving Mother Teresa to me. Big shocker.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Originally Posted by dissention

I see you're incapable of explaining any of those things involving Mother Teresa to me. Big shocker.

Actually, yes...I am. I have no clue how to answer your questions, because I'm not familiar enough with any of it to comment.

But I still support the "help Josh move into a cardboard box" fund...