Sen. Kerry calls for filibuster of Alito

[Rickypt]

Originally Posted by amber

Even Boxer didn't vote against the Patriot Act, or the war, and she didn't say anything when Clinton used military force in Bosnia, nor has she spoken up about wire tapping.

She voted against the war and she is one of the few senators who has spoken up about wire tapping, so far as to call for investigation into potential impeachment.

[amber]

Originally Posted by Rickypt

She voted against the war and she is one of the few senators who has spoken up about wire tapping, so far as to call for investigation into potential impeachment.

Sorry, I meant she didn't speak up about the war. Also, most of congress, if not all, knew about the wire tapping since 2001 +. Also, my source wants to know when she spoke up about the wire tapping, and says it must have been fairly recent, which is pretty lame. Also, there's still the Patriot Act. Basically, my point still holds - even the democrats we consider our most liberal drop the ball, or don't pick it up.

[Rickypt]

Originally Posted by amber

Basically, my point still holds - even the democrats we consider our most liberal drop the ball, or don't pick it up.

Without question. Boxer also spoke out against gay marriage in '04.

[The Tower]

Originally Posted by amber

Also, most of congress, if not all, knew about the wire tapping since 2001 +.

They did not. It had been kept secret from congress and general what's his name from the NSA testified before congress that the NSA was following FISA procedure which was a lie and is a crime. Until this whole thing was leaked by the NY Times, the administration's stated position was that they were getting court orders for all of their electronic surveillance. All lies and all illegal.

[amber]

Edit - source says congressional leadership at least knew, Pelosi kept her mouth shut b/c no one else was saying anything, and whoever knew, knew they were not getting court orders.
http://www.alternet.org/story/30600/

[The Tower]

Originally Posted by amber

Edit - source says congressional leadership at least knew, Pelosi kept her mouth shut b/c no one else was saying anything, and whoever knew, knew they were not getting court orders.
http://www.alternet.org/story/30600/

The only people in congress who knew anything about this was the House Intelligence Committee and they are required by law to keep those briefings secret from the rest of congress.

That's why Dubya was so pissed that the NY Times printed the article that revealed this whole thing. The Bush administration tried to pressure the NY Times to not print the article, but they gave them the finger.

[amber]

Originally Posted by The Tower

The only people in congress who knew anything about this was the House Intelligence Committee and they are required by law to keep those briefings secret from the rest of congress.

That's why Dubya was so pissed that the NY Times printed the article that revealed this whole thing. The Bush administration tried to pressure the NY Times to not print the article, but they gave them the finger.

They knew, they could've said. Did you read the link? "The failure of these Democrats to risk personal censure for the greater public good ... give[s] the impression there is actually only one political party in the U.S., and that opposition and dissent on issues of security in Washington are only a mirage."

[irishgrl]

Originally Posted by amber

Sorry, I meant she didn't speak up about the war. Also, most of congress, if not all, knew about the wire tapping since 2001 +. Also, my source wants to know when she spoke up about the wire tapping, and says it must have been fairly recent, which is pretty lame. Also, there's still the Patriot Act. Basically, my point still holds - even the democrats we consider our most liberal drop the ball, or don't pick it up.

Barbara Boxer spoke up about the wire tapping, calling for impeachment about a month ago, after speaking with Dean, and several Con Law Scholars. she did this right about the time the info came to light that Bush totally bypassed the special court that was supposed to have issued warrants. there was a very informative thread on this forum at that time, have your "source" read THAT.


Amber I think this is the first time you've acted as a mouthpiece for someone else's opinions. Ive seen it all.