Governor denies clemency for ex-gang leader - Page 15

SteveMacD · #**211** 12-15-2005, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Jyqm

Except capital punishment, of course. Don't get anymore absolute than that.

Ah, but that is still just one type of punishment. And, there are varying degrees of charges available to prosecutors. Juries have different sentences they can use in capital cases. Even the judges have the power to override that particular punishment if they felt there something was not presented properly. My point is there are a lot of checks with the punishment, and it's still extremely rare for a prisoner to be executed. It's not so black and white as to say "you killed somebody, therefore you should die" without taking a laundry list of factors into consideration.

Sorry, but I still feel those rednecks who dragged James Byrd to his death, Dahmer, and the likes of Hilter should hang. If you feel that makes me an absolutist who is wrong for his beliefs, I can live with that.

HomerMcvie · #**212** 12-15-2005, 01:34 PM

Steve, I LOVE the new sig!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ODDLY, I sat at my favorite pub last night, and had a discussion with several guys, on why Al Bundy was so great. The consensus was that nearly every guy can see a little bit of himself in Al. Some, more than others!

SteveMacD · #**213** 12-15-2005, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by The Tower

ZZZZZZZZZING!!!!!!!

Hmmm. I was wondering when we'd get back to the classic Ledgie group think that turns what was a fairly thoughtful discussion into a love fest between all of the posters who feel holier-than-thou because they agree on an issue. Brandon's was bad, but this...this was pathetic.

Gee, what next? The "you go, girl" or the "that's tellin' him?" Just when I thought it was safe to expect more from a discussion.

SteveMacD · #**214** 12-15-2005, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

Steve, I LOVE the new sig!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ODDLY, I sat at my favorite pub last night, and had a discussion with several guys, on why Al Bundy was so great. The consensus was that nearly every guy can see a little bit of himself in Al. Some, more than others!

It's all part of being a guy. Men can be absolutely brilliant and completely moronic at the same time. For example, the magazine that has the highest reading level is Playboy.

Jyqm · #**215** 12-15-2005, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveMacD

Sorry, but I still feel those rednecks who dragged James Byrd to his death, Dahmer, and the likes of Hilter should hang. If you feel that makes me an absolutist who is wrong for his beliefs, I can live with that.

Well, clearly you're not an absolutist. Mainly, I'm sad that you didn't reply to my post asking about where you think a person's right to life comes from. I assume you believe it is granted by society, though?

Jyqm · #**216** 12-15-2005, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveMacD

It's all part of being a guy. Men can be absolutely brilliant and completely moronic at the same time. For example, the magazine that has the highest reading level is Playboy.

Playboy's gone downhill somewhat in the past few years, though, at least in the non-boobies sections. It seems like they're becoming too influenced by magazines like Maxim and Blender, that emphasize lots of graphics and blurbs over more substantial text. Doesn't seem like they get as much fiction from big hitters anymore, either, not that that's necessarily a bad thing.

There's nothing better than Playboy's interviews, though (again, boobies excepted). The last issue I read, in August, I think, featured a wonderfully in-depth conversation with Thomas Friedman.

The Tower · #**217** 12-15-2005, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveMacD

Hmmm. I was wondering when we'd get back to the classic Ledgie group think that turns what was a fairly thoughtful discussion into a love fest between all of the posters who feel holier-than-thou because they agree on an issue. Brandon's was bad, but this...this was pathetic.

Gee, what next? The "you go, girl" or the "that's tellin' him?" Just when I thought it was safe to expect more from a discussion.

Oh, drop your Drama Queen behavior (speaking of pathetic). My comment had nothing to do with any kind of "classic Ledgie group" crap or any other kind of love fest. I simply thought his point was extremely concise and dead on target.

The whole point I was trying to make all this time was that the death penalty is absolute and that humans are infallible, so why go to such an extreme step instead of life in prison without parole. You were going on and on about "shades of gray" and "majority rules" and all that other stuff which no one was arguing in the first place. Everyone knows it's the fukcing law. No one is debating that. The debate is that the law is wrong because it's not right for the government to have the power to kill someone. The government (and the human race) is not capable of verifying guilt in every single case. Why this is so difficult to comprehend is beyond me.

All this time I have been part of the discussion and I make one comment on a post from someone I don't even know and now I'm being compared to the Brown Eye? Talk about pathetic......

SteveMacD · #**218** 12-15-2005, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by The Tower

Oh, drop your Drama Queen behavior (speaking of pathetic). My comment had nothing to do with any kind of "classic Ledgie group" crap or any other kind of love fest. I simply thought his point was extremely concise and dead on target.

The whole point I was trying to make all this time was that the death penalty is absolute and that humans are infallible, so why go to such an extreme step instead of life in prison without parole. You were going on and on about "shades of gray" and "majority rules" and all that other stuff which no one was arguing in the first place. Everyone knows it's the fukcing law. No one is debating that. The debate is that the law is wrong because it's not right for the government to have the power to kill someone. The government (and the human race) is not capable of verifying guilt in every single case. Why this is so difficult to comprehend is beyond me.

All this time I have been part of the discussion and I make one comment on a post from someone I don't even know and now I'm being compared to the Brown Eye? Talk about pathetic......

Okay, okay, whatever...we're talking about boobies now.

The Tower · #**219** 12-15-2005, 03:33 PM

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Okay, okay, whatever...we're talking about boobies now.

Well, carry on then, guys. I have no experience with hooters/jabos/juggs/cans/fun bags/tits/boobs. You can have them all.

estranged4life · #**220** 12-15-2005, 03:35 PM

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...we're talking about boobies now.

meat curtains!!! Hehehehehe!!!

jannieC · #**221** 12-15-2005, 03:46 PM

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What's funny, though, is that a lot of victims DO fogive the attacker, even in capital punishment cases, even when the attacker does not seek or want that forgiveness. The concept of forgiveness and the concept of punishment are two very different concepts. How is it different to forgive the attacker when he or she is going to be imprisoned for the rest of his/her life than to forgive an attacker when he/she is going to be put to death? Just because one forgives does not mean a punishment should be less harsh.

I realized that I didn't really *go* anywhere with my forgiveness bit and how it relates to why I'm against capital punishment. I was just kind of rambling. What made that particular woman's story turn the lightbulb on for me was that she did not believe that we, as a society, had a right to take her daughter's killer's life. She felt that by doing so, it was causing his family the same pain hers went through.

On an unemotional level, states with no death penalty show lower homicide rates (http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/arti...&did=169#MRord) so to me, I can't even justify that enforcing the death penalty deters murder. Texas, who executed more prisoners than any other state in 2004, is in the top 15 of highest murder rates.

SteveMacD · #**222** 12-15-2005, 05:34 PM

Quick men...To the Boobmobile!!!

SteveMacD · #**223** 12-16-2005, 12:49 AM

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That's jibberish which doesn't even debate the issue I was questioning,

Yeah, but Lux, you've already made up your mind, and are not really interested in a debate. So why should I put up the effort? All your going to do is make character assassinations against anybody who disagrees with you. That's your MO. This isn't the first discussion in which you've done it, and I'm pretty sure it won't be the last. I find it too dull, too tedious, and too much of a waste of energy, and frankly I don't really give a damn. I'd rather continue talking about boobies, truth be told.