Clinton: Bush should raise taxes to pay for recovery

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Clinton wants everyone to be equally miserable. Raising taxes would lower revenue; Clinton knows this and doesn't care. For Clinton, this is just an excuse to limit freedom and increase government influence in our lives.

simply raise taxes -- it's the Democratic Party cure-all.

[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

Clinton wants everyone to be equally miserable. Raising taxes would lower revenue; Clinton knows this and doesn't care. For Clinton, this is just an excuse to limit freedom and increase government influence in our lives.

simply raise taxes -- it's the Democratic Party cure-all.

Baloney. This is not "typical" raising taxes. This is "clean up your mess" raising taxes. He started an unjust war which is a black hole of a money sucker. Now we have Katrina, which isn't his fault, but we have all of that to pay for. The top 1%, the wealthiest of Americans, the ones who need the extra money the least can't give back their tax cut because we are in crisis? That seems selfish. If they let the economy go to sh*t by watching the dollar decrease in value they may wind up with nothing themselves. Then they may wish they never got a tax cut that choked the economy.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

And he is also setting up the sound bites for the 2008 election. "We're tired of paying for the War in Iraq!"

[dissention]

Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

And he is also setting up the sound bites for the 2008 election. "We're tired of paying for the War in Iraq!"

Funny thing is that the majority of the country agrees with him.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by dissention

Funny thing is that the majority of the country agrees with him.

Actually, I think that majority is over 70% now

But, Coulter and her ilk will go down with the ship rather than attack their sacred cow.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Actually, I think that majority is over 70% now

But, Coulter and her ilk will go down with the ship rather than attack their sacred cow.

That should be fun to watch.

[mylittledemon]

Originally Posted by SuzeQuze

He started an unjust war which is a black hole of a money sucker.

It's not unjust. What do you think happened when two airplanes crashed into the World Trade Center buildings? War was declared on us. 3,000 people dead. Action had to be taken. I would not stand idly by and let the Middle Eastern countries involved get away with that.

I can hear the forthcoming argument now...well why not go after Bin Laden instead of Hussein, no WMDs, etc...blah blah blah...They are all in league, one with another. The Middle Eastern countries are like one body. Taking Hussein was like cutting off both arms and legs. I think there are things in this world we will never full understand, or get the truth on. Don't think for a minute that the puppet media out there hasn't fooled you into joining the masses on what you should think.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Originally Posted by mylittledemon

It's not unjust. What do you think happened when two airplanes crashed into the World Trade Center buildings? War was declared on us. 3,000 people dead. Action had to be taken. I would not stand idly by and let the Middle Eastern countries involved get away with that.

I can hear the forthcoming argument now...well why not go after Bin Laden instead of Hussein, no WMDs, etc...blah blah blah...They are all in league, one with another. The Middle Eastern countries are like one body. Taking Hussein was like cutting off both arms and legs. I think there are things in this world we will never full understand, or get the truth on. Don't think for a minute that the puppet media out there hasn't fooled you into joining the masses on what you should think.

I agree with you, and have to say you are brave making that statement around here...because you know exactly where it is going to lead. Bush's intentions were rather clear from the get go. He said not only Osama and his cronies, but also the countries that even supported or harbored terrorists, and if Iraq is not such a country then I don't know what is.

[David]

Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

He said not only Osama and his cronies, but also the countries that even supported or harbored terrorists, and if Iraq is not such a country then I don't know what is.

Iraq seemed a rather strange choice at the outset. The U.S. State Department had a lot more info linking terrorist groups to state bodies like Somalia, Libya, Syria, the Sudan, the Palestinian Authority, Iran, Pakistan & Lebanon. The terrorist activity planned & executed from these countries is greater in number & reach than it is from Iraq -- why invade Iraq first?

Afghanistan is certainly a hot bed of terrorist organizations, but our "war" there appears to have fixed absolutely nothing. An American -- indeed, any Westerner -- is no safer today flying to Afghanistan to vacation than five years ago.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by David

Iraq seemed a rather strange choice at the outset. The U.S. State Department had a lot more info linking terrorist groups to state bodies like Somalia, Libya, Syria, the Sudan, the Palestinian Authority, Iran, Pakistan & Lebanon. The terrorist activity planned & executed from these countries is greater in number & reach than it is from Iraq -- why invade Iraq first?

Afghanistan is certainly a hot bed of terrorist organizations, but our "war" there appears to have fixed absolutely nothing. An American -- indeed, any Westerner -- is no safer today flying to Afghanistan to vacation than five years ago.

Proof of the truth of your statements

Al-Zawahiri downplays U.S. efforts in Afghanistan
U.N. report: No shortage of terrorism recruits worldwide

(CNN) -- In a videotape that aired Monday on the Arabic-language TV network Al-Jazeera, Osama bin Laden's top lieutenant, Ayman al-Zawahiri, downplayed U.S. efforts in Afghanistan and again claimed responsibility for the July bombings in London.

Meanwhile, a United Nations panel of experts issued a report Monday saying there is no shortage of recruits for terrorism worldwide and that Iraq has provided new training ground for them, replacing al Qaeda bases lost in Afghanistan.

"Al Qaeda has managed to recover from the loss of Afghanistan as a training base for terrorism by exploiting the situation in Iraq," the report said.

The report was the third by an expert panel set up by the U.N. Security Council to monitor al Qaeda, the Taliban and their associates.

Recruits travel to Iraq from many parts of the world, "acquire skills in urban warfare, bomb-making, assassination and suicide attacks," and return to integrate with local fighters in their home countries, the report said.

Second al-Zawahiri tape
The authenticity of the tape that aired Monday on Al-Jazeera, which is based in Qatar, has yet to be verified.

It showed al-Zawahiri being interviewed by an unknown questioner. He wore a black turban and white shirt, without his typical black vest, seen in past videos.

He told the interviewer the Taliban moved from Kabul, the Afghan capital, only to the outskirts of the city and did not flee.

Voters went to the polls Sunday in Afghanistan amid heavy security to elect representatives to their national parliament and local legislators in 34 provinces.

"There is no reform except through jihad," al-Zawahiri said in the video, the second this month showing the 54-year-old Egyptian-born doctor.

In a tape released September 1, he said British Prime Minister Tony Blair and his policies were responsible for the London attacks. He also sharply criticized President Bush.

A July 7 attack on London's transit system killed 52 commuters and the four bombers. No one was killed in a second, similar attempted attack July 21, in which bombs failed to detonate.

"People of the crusader alliance behold the disasters that the policies of Bush and Blair will bring upon you and, God willing, on all of those who march behind them," al-Zawahiri said in the previous tape.

"As they have let rivers of blood run in our countries, we will, God willing, erupt volcanoes of anger in their countries."

An Al-Jazeera anchor said at the time al-Zawahiri's comments were part of a "much longer tape."

A CIA spokesman said the next day that the tape appeared to be genuine.

After the September 11, 2001, attacks that killed nearly 3,000 people, the U.S. State Department offered a $25 million award for information leading to al-Zawahiri's apprehension.

Al Qaeda threats
The U.N. report issued Monday said the "most notable success" of al Qaeda was an agreement struck by bin Laden with Abu Musab al-Zarqawi in Iraq.

The pact allowed bin Laden to claim world attention in "a key issue of the day" and helped al-Zarqawi to attract recruits "by adopting the al Qaeda mantle," the report said.

Al Qaeda also has benefited from another group: fighters who trained in Afghanistan and who are now "spread all over the world and actively providing expertise and leadership to local cells," the report said.

It said estimates of their numbers vary "but several thousand graduates of the Afghan camps survive."

The international community has now identified and is hunting many, and they have to use false identities and criminal means to survive, "which increases their risk of detection and arrest," the report said.

Nevertheless, the report said, this group provides "a significant backbone to the al Qaeda structure."

A third group is made up of new recruits radicalized by world events, by extremists in their communities or by terror Web sites and chat rooms on the Internet, the report said.

It said these cells are "emerging as the main threat posed by al Qaeda terrorism today" because they remain "independent, anonymous and largely invisible until they strike."

The report said the Taliban remain a localized but serious threat in Afghanistan.

The recent increase in violence and sophistication of weapons and communications systems "suggest an infusion of money [and] an ability to recruit younger and increasingly vicious supporters," the report said.

Find this article at:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/...iri/index.html

[dissention]

Originally Posted by mylittledemon

It's not unjust. What do you think happened when two airplanes crashed into the World Trade Center buildings? War was declared on us. 3,000 people dead. Action had to be taken. I would not stand idly by and let the Middle Eastern countries involved get away with that.

I can hear the forthcoming argument now...well why not go after Bin Laden instead of Hussein, no WMDs, etc...blah blah blah...They are all in league, one with another. The Middle Eastern countries are like one body. Taking Hussein was like cutting off both arms and legs. I think there are things in this world we will never full understand, or get the truth on. Don't think for a minute that the puppet media out there hasn't fooled you into joining the masses on what you should think.

I would think by now that the talking points could be freshened up just a little bit.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Originally Posted by dissention

I would think by now that the talking points could be freshened up just a little bit.

Funny, I was thinking just the same about the liberal talking point.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

Funny, I was thinking just the same about the liberal talking point.

Oh, honey, I know how upset you are about our country waking up to the incompetence that is the Republican party, but you knew it would happen sooner or later. Keep fighting the good fight, even if the facts aren't there to support you.

[Sugar]

Do people really still think bin Laden and Hussein were working together?

Al Qaeda-Hussein Link Is Dismissed

By Walter Pincus and Dana Milbank
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, June 17, 2004; Page A01


The Sept. 11 commission reported yesterday that it has found no "collaborative relationship" between Iraq and al Qaeda, challenging one of the Bush administration's main justifications for the war in Iraq.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Jun16.html

[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by dissention

I would think by now that the talking points could be freshened up just a little bit.

Since the FACTS are:

People who provided the intelligence about the WMDs knew that it wasn't credible but used it anyway. To fix the info around the policy to go to war with Iraq (ala Downing Street).

Saddam did not have a relationship with Al Quada.

Most of the terrorists from 9/11 were Saudis, none were Iraqis.

No other countries, aside from UK, supported this war because war is a LAST RESORT.

There are more terrorist cells in Iraq now than anywhere due to the lawlessness there.

I could go on but I'm probably wasting my energy.