how many copies did Time sell?

[MACFAN]

[QUOTE=SteveMacD]Please. It isn't even the worst Fleetwood Mac album, far less the worst album ever.

Why would Christine stay away from a project in which she was there from the beginning? When they started working on the album, it was just Mick, John, and Christine. Then they added Bekka, and then Dave. Billy Burnette rejoined shortly thereafter.

To me it is the worst Fleetwood Mac album. Christine should have stayed away because an album of her alone would have been way better than the piece of **** Time is. Sad part is Dave Mason has done some great work, just not with Fleetwood Mac.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by MACFAN

Christine should have stayed away because an album of her alone would have been way better than the piece of **** Time is.

Again, she was the only singer/songwriter who was involved with the project from the very beginning, so it makes no sense for her to have stayed away. As for an album of her alone, well that isn't Fleetwood Mac! Fleetwood Mac has never only had one singer. Why start going down that road 28 years later? And most folks who follow the band somewhat closely weren't shocked that Bekka Bramlett ended up in the group. Actually, I suspected from a conversation I had with Mick the one time I met him that Dave Mason would end up in the band. In any event, there are some really good songs on "Time," and honestly, I could find six songs on "Time" that I'd enjoy listening to, which is one more than I get with "Penguin." Let's face it, the band is at it's best with three songwriters. Two isn't enough, four is overkill.

Originally Posted by MACFAN

Sad part is Dave Mason has done some great work, just not with Fleetwood Mac.

As somebody who has all of his solo albums and his work with Traffic (check out the discography section), I completely agree. I was very disappointed in his "Time" stuff, although I do like the toned-down 1994 version of "Blow By Blow."

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

Again, (Christine) was the only singer/songwriter who was involved with the project from the very beginning, so it makes no sense for her to have stayed away.

It never seemed like Christine's heart was into 'Time' though. She has said her being on that album was a "contractual obligation," and in her AOL interview to promote 'Time,' she talked about how much she missed Lindsey and Stevie and hoped they'd all work together again.

Rather odd to openly discuss how much better things are when your former bandmates are in the equation, instead of focusing on the strengths of your current bandmates and your current album.

That being said, I rather like 'Time.' I wasn't sure what I'd think of it before I bought it (back in '95), but was quite pleasantly surprised that I truly liked it.

[chiliD]

The biggest mistake Fleetwood Mac made was The Dance...it was the death-knell of the creativity of the band. A move backwards instead of forward. The proof that they couldn't get out from under the Rumours parachute. They should've just called it a day after Tusk. Let Stevie & Lindsey go full time into solo careers in 1980.

Then re-establish Fleetwood Mac from THAT point with a new lineup. (re-enlist Bob Welch, who would bring along Todd Sharp, and add Martha Davis & Marty Jourard)

[DavidMn]

Originally Posted by chiliD

The biggest mistake Fleetwood Mac made was The Dance...it was the death-knell of the creativity of the band. A move backwards instead of forward. The proof that they couldn't get out from under the Rumours parachute. They should've just called it a day after Tusk. Let Stevie & Lindsey go full time into solo careers in 1980.

Then re-establish Fleetwood Mac from THAT point with a new lineup. (re-enlist Bob Welch, who would bring along Todd Sharp, and add Martha Davis & Marty Jourard)

You mean Martha Davis from the Motels?

[chiliD]

Originally Posted by DavidMn

You mean Martha Davis from the Motels?

The one & only.

[DavidMn]

Originally Posted by chiliD

The one & only.

Boy she has a great voice. I wonder what heppened to her. Is she still in Music?

[MACFAN]

Originally Posted by chiliD

The biggest mistake Fleetwood Mac made was The Dance...it was the death-knell of the creativity of the band. A move backwards instead of forward. The proof that they couldn't get out from under the Rumours parachute. They should've just called it a day after Tusk. Let Stevie & Lindsey go full time into solo careers in 1980.

Then re-establish Fleetwood Mac from THAT point with a new lineup. (re-enlist Bob Welch, who would bring along Todd Sharp, and add Martha Davis & Marty Jourard)

Why was it a mistake to have 5 very talented people regroup to celebrate their body of work. A step backward? The Dance re-established Fleetwood Mac as a band after the debacle that was Time. Their music was introduced to new and younger fans. Seems like a good idea to me if your a musician. I attended 18 Dance shows and yes the speeches were canned but the music performed was done with a lot of passion. There was a promotional push to bring the band back into the public eye and I see nothing wrong with that. The four new songs by the band were very good, were they big hits, no. But I dont think they were meant to be. If Lindsey and Stevie would have left after Tusk we would'nt have Mirage or Tango. Which I feel are both very good albums.

As far as getting out from under the Rumours parachute the tour consisted of 8 songs from Rumours (it is a monster album for goodness sakes), 5 songs from Fleetwood Mac, 2 songs from Tango, 1 from Mirage, 1 from Tusk, 1 from Live, 1 solo Lindsey, 1 solo Stevie, and 4 new songs. Quite a lot of bang for your buck. Also a couple of million in sales ,3 grammy nominations, a Brit award, consistently sold out shows, R&R hall of fame induction, lots of press does not seem like a step backwards to me.. The tour was not a rehash of Rumours but a way for that lineup to say to the world "we are a great F*****g band aren't we".

[HomerMcvie]

We get it, you worship Lindsey and Stevie. We get it. You don't like Time. We get it.
God knows, there couldn't be a FM without Lindsey and Stevie. We get it. Dead horse. We get it.

[MACFAN]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

We get it, you worship Lindsey and Stevie. We get it. You don't like Time. We get it.
God knows, there couldn't be a FM without Lindsey and Stevie. We get it. Dead horse. We get it.

You get what? I dont worship anyone. I was answering a post about whether or not The Dance was a mistake for "the band". Had the 1973 band regrouped for a tour I would have been happy for them and attended but they didn't.

Dead Horse? Aint no dead horse here. The only thing dead was Fleetwood Mac's career in 1995.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by MACFAN

Why was it a mistake to have 5 very talented people regroup to celebrate their body of work.

In theory, it isn't. In reality, all they will ever be remembered for is "Rumour." Everything else is glossed over. It's because of "The Dance" that this happens, or more specifically how the history of the band was completely rewritten during the whole "The Dance" period.

Originally Posted by MACFAN

A step backward? The Dance re-established Fleetwood Mac as a band after the debacle that was Time.

And, Lindsey Buckingham as a popular artist after the debacle that was "Out Of The Cradle," and Stevie Nicks a popular artist after the debacle that was "Street Angel." Oh, but it's not polite to point out that their sales sucked donkey balls, too. At least Fleetwood Mac has the excuse that they did absolutely nothing to promote their album. Their touring was all done PRIOR to the album's release. No videos. No touring. No television. No radio interviews. What's Lindsey's excuse? What's Stevie's excuse?

Originally Posted by MACFAN

If Lindsey and Stevie would have left after Tusk we would'nt have Mirage or Tango. Which I feel are both very good albums.

Which is why those two albums produced a total of three songs for the 1997 set and only three songs for the 2003-2004, with two being dropped by the end of the tour. Yeah, monster albums those two are.

Originally Posted by MACFAN

As far as getting out from under the Rumours parachute the tour consisted of 8 songs from Rumours (it is a monster album for goodness sakes), 5 songs from Fleetwood Mac, 2 songs from Tango, 1 from Mirage, 1 from Tusk, 1 from Live, 1 solo Lindsey, 1 solo Stevie, and 4 new songs. Quite a lot of bang for your buck. Also a couple of million in sales ,3 grammy nominations, a Brit award, consistently sold out shows, R&R hall of fame induction, lots of press does not seem like a step backwards to me.. The tour was not a rehash of Rumours but a way for that lineup to say to the world "we are a great F*****g band aren't we".

If that's what you want to believe, then so be it. But it was really the creative death nail for Fleetwood Mac. As much as I liked "Say You Will," it only sold about what "Behind The Mask" sold. The shows all sold well, but people weren't jonesing for the new stuff. They wanted the hits. Which basically means that Fleetwood Mac is an oldies band, and it's all the harder to take them as seriously. All promoters wanted to promote with Fleetwood Mac is "Rumours." Is it that hard to believe that an album that consisted of a major rehashing of "Rumours" would have sold millions, been up for three Grammy awards, and gotten an award in Britain? The thing is, they will NEVER have that EVER again, especially with NEW albums. "The Dance" basically was a huge high for the band, but the aftermath is that they are limited in where they can go with their careers.

[MACFAN]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

In theory, it isn't. In reality, all they will ever be remembered for is "Rumour." Everything else is glossed over. It's because of "The Dance" that this happens, or more specifically how the history of the band was completely rewritten during the whole "

The Dance" period.

How was the history of the band re-written? i dont get what your saying here.

And, Lindsey Buckingham as a popular artist after the debacle that was "Out Of The Cradle," and Stevie Nicks a popular artist after the debacle that was "Street Angel." Oh, but it's not polite to point out that their sales sucked donkey balls, too. At least Fleetwood Mac has the excuse that they did absolutely nothing to promote their album. Their touring was all done PRIOR to the album's release. No videos. No touring. No television. No radio interviews. What's Lindsey's excuse? What's Stevie's excuse?

I never said sales are what make a good album. Both OOTC and SA were good albums, to me anyway and their respective tours were pretty good to. How and when a band/artist promotes themselves is their decision.

Which is why those two albums produced a total of three songs for the 1997 set and only three songs for the 2003-2004, with two being dropped by the end of the tour. Yeah, monster albums those two are.

Mirage and Tango were both pretty big hits in their day. What a band chooses to include in their set is again their decison.

If that's what you want to believe, then so be it. But it was really the creative death nail for Fleetwood Mac. As much as I liked "Say You Will," it only sold about what "Behind The Mask" sold. The shows all sold well, but people weren't jonesing for the new stuff. They wanted the hits. Which basically means that Fleetwood Mac is an oldies band, and it's all the harder to take them as seriously. All promoters wanted to promote with Fleetwood Mac is "Rumours." Is it that hard to believe that an album that consisted of a major rehashing of "Rumours" would have sold millions, been up for three Grammy awards, and gotten an award in Britain? The thing is, they will NEVER have that EVER again, especially with NEW albums. "The Dance" basically was a huge high for the band, but the aftermath is that they are limited in where they can go with their careers.[/QUOTE]

Out of 15,000 folks in an arena how many of them are "die hards" who know the lesser known material. When I go see the Rolling Stones, U2 or any big name act I wanna hear the hits, why should Fleetwood Mac be different. U2 may be a bit more adventurous than Fleetwood but they still play the hits. Is there something wrong with that? Yes I do find it hard to believe that a 20 year old band can release basically a greatest hits album (considering they already had one) and a live one to boot and sell millions. Every fan I know who is a die hard was jonesing to hear the stuff from the Say You Will album and we got a lot from the album like 5 or 6 so that aint bad. They brought out Beautiful Child, I know Im Not Wrong, Red Rover, Eyes Of The World, Goodbye Baby, Say Goodbye all non hits. Hell even Say You Will and Peacekeeper werent that well know so they did try and the shows were great regardless of 'the hits".

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

It never seemed like Christine's heart was into 'Time' though. She has said her being on that album was a "contractual obligation,"

That's a new one to me. She seemed excited about doing another Mac album in an interview that was posted through here from around the time of the box set.

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

and in her AOL interview to promote 'Time,' she talked about how much she missed Lindsey and Stevie and hoped they'd all work together again.

To be fair, she was asked if she would ever like to work with Stevie and Lindsey again.

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

Rather odd to openly discuss how much better things are when your former bandmates are in the equation, instead of focusing on the strengths of your current bandmates and your current album.

Really, all I got out of that interview was that Christine would have rather worked with Lindsey Buckingham over Dave Mason. I didn't get that she was unhappy with either Bekka or Billy. Knowing that Steve Winwood is a close friend, I wasn't shocked that she was less than thrilled with Dave Mason. Plus, how enthusiastic could she be if she weren't touring with the band, and basically made it known that was her last album with the group? At that point, she really didn't have a personal stake in the band, and was most likely in a place where she was reflecting on her career.