Numbnuts Talk A Lot .... (which is what makes them look like numbnuts to begin with)

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by Sapphire Girl

True, but she has referred to the insurgents as freedom fighters.

What do you think they are? Who do you think they are?

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by dissention

She's right. Going into Afghanistan in November of 2001 was quite pointless.

Yes. It was. And we're really going to have probelms if we don't get the hell out of there soon too.

[Sapphire Girl]

Originally Posted by Lux

Next in line is the US. They invade America, killing tens of thousands and freeing you all from tyranny. Expect to lose atleast someone you know but just remember it's for the greater good.

If the U.S. was like Iraq, you're damn straight I'd welcome an invasion to free me and my fellow citizens from tyranny and if my death helped facillitate my country's freedom, then good.

[Sapphire Girl]

Originally Posted by dissention

She's right. Going into Afghanistan in November of 2001 was quite pointless.

Who would've ever guessed you'd say something like that.

[Sapphire Girl]

Originally Posted by dissention

Lila Lipscomb's son volunteered and he was killed, should she be deprived of expressing her disgust or derided for expressing anger over her son dying because of lies that the US government told? Did her child and the child of Cindy Sheehan die for what they were told they were fighting for or did they die for other reasons? Volunteering to go doesn't mean **** if you're lied to about the reasons for going. I think the US government robbed both their sons of their honor when it signed their death warrants based on lies and misinformation.

Lila Lipscomb has the right to express her opinion. The parents of those killed in combat and who support the reasons we are there have the right to express their opinion, too. Don't you agree?

Now, regarding these so-called lies.. Why would the mission be called Operation Iraqi Freedom if it was solely about the WMDs?

U.S. soldier knocks on a door, which is opened by a Baathist party rapist/torturer.
U.S. soldier: "I'm looking for WMDs." He notices a young woman about to be raped and her husband about to be subjected to sulphuric acid. "What's going on here?"
Baathist party rapist/torturer: "This woman has said she does not like Saddam Hussein. So my men and I are going to rape her and cut out her tongue and pour this acid on her husband's face."
U.S. soldier: "I see. Mind if I look around for the WMDs?"
Baathist party rapist/torturer: "No. Go right ahead."
U.S. soldier looks around and is unable to find anything.
U.S. soldier: "I wasn't able to find anything but thanks for letting me look around. Good-bye."
He leaves as the cries and screams for help from the young couple fill the room.

[Sapphire Girl]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

That's a good one. The "tyranny" of what? Electricty and running water?

If by electricity and running water you mean one of the devices utilized for torture, then YES!

[dissention]

Originally Posted by Sapphire Girl

Now, regarding these so-called lies.. Why would the mission be called Operation Iraqi Freedom if it was solely about the WMDs?

Do like the Bush Administration and use your imagination.

Originally Posted by Sapphire Girl

U.S. soldier knocks on a door, which is opened by a Baathist party rapist/torturer.
U.S. soldier: "I'm looking for WMDs." He notices a young woman about to be raped and her husband about to be subjected to sulphuric acid. "What's going on here?"
Baathist party rapist/torturer: "This woman has said she does not like Saddam Hussein. So my men and I are going to rape her and cut out her tongue and pour this acid on her husband's face."
U.S. soldier: "I see. Mind if I look around for the WMDs?"
Baathist party rapist/torturer: "No. Go right ahead."
U.S. soldier looks around and is unable to find anything.
U.S. soldier: "I wasn't able to find anything but thanks for letting me look around. Good-bye."
He leaves as the cries and screams for help from the young couple fill the room.

You must have forgotten that the first Shrub told the Iraqi's to revolt and when they were slaughtered in mass numbers for doing so, our country didn't do a single ****ing thing to help them. The fact that you can call us liberators is so utterly laughable when the truth is that we inflicted as much pain and horror on them as Saddam by being complacent and enabling him for so many years. This country doesn't lift a finger to help anyone unless it can benefit from doing so; Rwanda and Sudan prove as much. We never went in there to liberate the Iraqi's, that's delusional.

[Sapphire Girl]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

Oh honey. That is a talking point straight off the right wing propaganda machine.

What? Casey Sheehan didn't volunteer? You mean that President Bush personally came over to all of these soldiers' homes, held a gun to their head and said "Join the military or I'll blow your brains out?"

Most of these kids never thought they would be sent off to fight in a war.

They knew very good and well that being sent off to fight in a war was a possibility.

Mrs. Sheehan has one question for the president. He said that we were fighting for a noble cause in Iraq. She wants to know what that noble cause is.

Mrs. Sheehan (or shall I say the soon-to-be ex Mrs. Sheehan) already answered that for herself after her first meeting with President Bush when she stated that he was sincere about wanting freedom for the Iraqi people.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by Sapphire Girl

If by electricity and running water you mean one of the devices utilized for torture, then YES!

All bluster and no facts, as usual.

[Sapphire Girl]

Originally Posted by dissention

You must have forgotten that the first Shrub told the Iraqi's to revolt and when they were slaughtered in mass numbers for doing so, our country didn't do a single ****ing thing to help them.

I do remember and I was pissed at President George H.W. Bush for not telling the U.N. "**** you! We're finishing the job and taking Saddam out!" (I shudder to think if the U.N. had been in charge of WWII- "You can only get the Nazis out of all the countries they are occupying in Europe, but you have to stop when you get to Germany.")

The fact that you can call us liberators is so utterly laughable when the truth is that we inflicted as much pain and horror on them as Saddam by being complacent and enabling him for so many years.

And who, pray tell, was in the White House the majority of those years, from March 1991 to March 2003?

This country doesn't lift a finger to help anyone unless it can benefit from doing so;

You mean to tell me we freed Nazi-occupied Europe because we liked lederhosen?

Rwanda and Sudan prove as much.

Ah, but the U.N. is doing such a lovely job there.

[Sapphire Girl]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

All bluster and no facts, as usual.

All bluster and no facts. Sounds like the liberals' mantra.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by Sapphire Girl

If by electricity and running water you mean one of the devices utilized for torture, then YES!

You mean like what we did at Abu Gharib and Guantanamo Bay?

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by Sapphire Girl

Mrs. Sheehan (or shall I say the soon-to-be ex Mrs. Sheehan)

The soon to be ex Mrs. Sheehan and her husband decided to divorce before she ever went to Crawford so if you're trying to use that for some sort of character assasination, I'm afraid you'll have to find something else.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by Sapphire Girl

I do remember and I was pissed at President George H.W. Bush for not telling the U.N. "**** you! We're finishing the job and taking Saddam out!"

All accounts wouldn't support that theory. Herbert Walker wouldn't have any problem with telling the UN **** you. Where do you think Junior learned it? General Schwarzkopf and others wisely advised him that going any further would put him in an unwinnable situation. Guess what? They were right.

[Sapphire Girl]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

You mean like what we did at Abu Gharib and Guantanamo Bay?

If we did do such a thing, then that was wrong. In order to obtain information, we could have forced the prisoners to listen to Air America, but that would've been considered just as, if not more, diabolical.