Bush's Obscene Tirades Rattle White House Aides

dissention · #1 08-27-2005, 12:01 AM

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please understand: once does NOT equal "indiscriminate".

What???

Iraq was bombed for 12 years straight by the United States during sanctions. During the Lewinsky scandal, Clinton not only bombed Iraq, but Sudan and Afghanistan, too. He shot cruise missiles without batting an eyelash.

irishgrl · #2 08-27-2005, 12:08 AM

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What???

Iraq was bombed for 12 years straight by the United States during sanctions. During the Lewinsky scandal, Clinton not only bombed Iraq, but Sudan and Afghanistan, too. He shot cruise missiles without batting an eyelash.

Well, are we talking before Clinton here? from what I recall of the headlines, Clinton Bombed Iraq during the Lewinsky mess. that doesnt equal 12 years.

as for Sudan, as I recall, we had UN peacekeeping troops over there, therefore we were directly involved, and any such bombing would have been a military decision, right or wrong. As for Afghanistan, THEY were fighting Russia up until recently and I dont recall any real headlines dealing with US military action there until Bush Jr. ordered troops in. If you have other info, please post it and I will gladly say I stand corrected.

dissention · #3 08-27-2005, 12:12 AM

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Well, are we talking before Clinton here? from what I recall of the headlines, Clinton Bombed Iraq during the Lewinsky mess. that doesnt equal 12 years.

Honey, the United States was bombing Iraq during Clinton's entire run as POTU. Don't even get me started on Kosovo and Serbia.

irishgrl · #4 08-27-2005, 12:20 AM

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Honey, the United States was bombing Iraq during Clinton's entire run as POTU. Don't even get me started on Kosovo and Serbia.

oh but I will: both of which were sanctioned by Lux's favorite World voice, the UN!!! Puh leez. We were there because we were asked to be there!
Clinton didnt go in there (or ANYWHERE) unilaterally like Monkey boy is doing.

Clinton didnt need to create the "pre-emptive strike" doctrine, like Monkey Boy.
there is NO comparison. Whatever Clinton did, he did at the request of another agency. He was a lame duck president after all, halfway into his first term.
Sorry. you just cant point to his few military forays (with UN approval) and call him an "indiscriminate bomber" nope. not happening.

dissention · #5 08-27-2005, 12:37 AM

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oh but I will: both of which were sanctioned by Lux's favorite World voice, the UN!!! Puh leez. We were there because we were asked to be there!
Clinton didnt go in there (or ANYWHERE) unilaterally like Monkey boy is doing.

Clinton bombed Serbia and Kosovo in 1999 on his own accord, Mary. The CIA even warned him against bombing Kosovo and Serbia, yet he didn't listen. He was told that any attacks would further more ethnic cleansing against the Albanians. Then Clinton attacked and acted as if he was surprised when there was a dramatic surge in ethnic cleansing.

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there is NO comparison. Whatever Clinton did, he did at the request of another agency. He was a lame duck president after all, halfway into his first term.
Sorry. you just cant point to his few military forays (with UN approval) and call him an "indiscriminate bomber" nope. not happening.

BULL****. I think you should bone up on the things Clinton actually did while in office.

irishgrl · #6 08-27-2005, 12:51 AM

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Clinton bombed Serbia and Kosovo in 1999 on his own accord, Mary. The CIA even warned him against bombing Kosovo and Serbia, yet he didn't listen. He was told that any attacks would further more ethnic cleansing against the Albanians. Then Clinton attacked and acted as if he was surprised when there was a dramatic surge in ethnic cleansing.

BULL****. I think you should bone up on the things Clinton actually did while in office.

OK. you are assuming I disagree with what he did. I can tell you now, that I fully sympathize with the Serbs against the Muslims, based on the many centuries of Muslim ethnic cleansing of Serbs. Yet, historically it is Serbian land, and Muslims are relative newcomers. I work with several Serbs and they can tell you that the US troops were viewed as liberators. Contrary to the spin machines. You can think what you want but I know what the ex-patriots say........

dissention · #7 08-27-2005, 12:54 AM

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OK. you are assuming I disagree with what he did. I can tell you now, that I fully sympathize with the Serbs against the Muslims, based on the many centuries of Muslim ethnic cleansing of Serbs. Yet, historically it is Serbian land, and Muslims are relative newcomers. I work with several Serbs and they can tell you that the US troops were viewed as liberators. Contrary to the spin machines. You can think what you want but I know what the ex-patriots say........

I will think what I want because I know right from wrong. If you can't admit that your beloved Clinton had an affection for indiscriminate bombing, that's your deal.

dissention · #8 08-27-2005, 12:25 AM

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as for Sudan, as I recall, we had UN peacekeeping troops over there, therefore we were directly involved, and any such bombing would have been a military decision, right or wrong.

Clinton bombed Khartoum in Sudan. Do you know how poor they are over there? His bombing destroyed over 50% of their pharmaceutical supply. He claimed that the plant he bombed was producing nerve gas. It was not. He claimed that the plant he bombed was connected to Bin Laden. He never showed anything that came close to proving such a thing. What he did was a violation of international law.

irishgrl · #9 08-27-2005, 12:34 AM

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Clinton bombed Khartoum in Sudan. Do you know how poor they are over there? His bombing destroyed over 50% of their pharmaceutical supply. He claimed that the plant he bombed was producing nerve gas. It was not. He claimed that the plant he bombed was connected to Bin Laden. He never showed anything that came close to proving such a thing. What he did was a violation of international law.

If what you are saying were true, why then isnt he being tried on charges?

Diss, I never said that people didnt suffer as a result of bombing, even Clinton said he regretted the loss of innocent life...but your continual jabs at him are unfair since he had the backing of the UN for those actions (except maybe Iraq, and even then, the UN recognized Saddam was a threat)
I dont condone baseless bombing.
All I am doing here is stating that you cant call Clinton's actions "indiscriminate" when he acted either under color of UN approval or by virtue of intelligence, and therefore, in the US interest. (Im not saying I agree with it)

Bush had more current intelligence than Clinton had and for him to use the SAME intelligence as Clinton is disingenuous to say the least. Bush knew better. Clinton didnt.

dissention · #10 08-27-2005, 12:41 AM

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If what you are saying were true, why then isnt he being tried on charges?

Diss, I never said that people didnt suffer as a result of bombing, even Clinton said he regretted the loss of innocent life...but your continual jabs at him are unfair since he had the backing of the UN for those actions (except maybe Iraq, and even then, the UN recognized Saddam was a threat)
I dont condone baseless bombing.
All I am doing here is stating that you cant call Clinton's actions "indiscriminate" when he acted either under color of UN approval or by virtue of intelligence, and therefore, in the US interest. (Im not saying I agree with it)

Bush had more current intelligence than Clinton had and for him to use the SAME intelligence as Clinton is disingenuous to say the least. Bush knew better. Clinton didnt.

When did the United Nations give Clinton their blessing to bomb an aspirin factory?!

irishgrl · #11 08-27-2005, 12:44 AM

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When did the United Nations give Clinton their blessing to bomb an aspirin factory?!

was that an INTENTIONAL target or an INCIDENTAL target?
again, we are talking about Iraq, which was viewed at least since Bush Sr's tenure, as an incalcitrant, obstructive, non cooperative nation who was also dangerous and capable of utilizing nuclear weapons.

dissention · #12 08-27-2005, 12:50 AM

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was that an INTENTIONAL target or an INCIDENTAL target?

INTENTIONAL.

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again, we are talking about Iraq, which was viewed at least since Bush Sr's tenure, as an incalcitrant, obstructive, non cooperative nation who was also dangerous and capable of utilizing nuclear weapons.

I thought you stated that:

"in Clinton's entire time in office I can only recall ONE time when he bombed anyone"

"that doesnt explain how Clinton's ONE TIME use of force constitutes 'indiscriminate bombing'"

"please understand: once does NOT equal 'indiscriminate'."

Lux never made any mention of Iraq in her first post, she simply said "he launched indiscriminate bombing raids." The facts back her up.