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[sparky]

Originally Posted by dudden22

Again I think this is all just a show because that is what the fans obviously want her songs to be about. I think she has had too many life experiences for all her songs to be about lindsey and mick.

Not this fan.

If all the great songs she has written (and many of them are referred to as being about, or fantasized by people as being about him) are about Lindsey, then she is an epic martyr, and the main story around which her life has revolved is a world class tragedy. How amazingly sad.

I would hope there are other relationships, other than LB and the horror inducing spider-eating-the-fly visual of Mick, that meant SOMETHING to her in the past 35 YEARS OF HER LIFE. If not, well then thank GOD she met Lindsey, because if she hadn't, then she never would have written a worthwhile song in her life.

It boggles my entire psyche to think that anyone in their right mind would actually sabotage relationships and be purposefully involved in dramas just for the sake of having conflict to write about. As much of a POW as Stevie may be, I don't think she engineers drama and heartache simply to have a source for inspiration. She may be a slightly crazy artiste, but that is self destructive in the extreme, and in my opinion, is a patently ridiculous belief. Were there any truth to it, I would suggest institutionalizing the songwriter in question. She's a little nutty, but she is not a sociopath.

[Kelly]

Originally Posted by sparky

Not this fan.

If all the great songs she has written (and many of them are referred to as being about, or fantasized by people as being about him) are about Lindsey, then she is an epic martyr, and the main story around which her life has revolved is a world class tragedy. How amazingly sad.

I would hope there are other relationships, other than LB and the horror inducing spider-eating-the-fly visual of Mick, that meant SOMETHING to her in the past 35 YEARS OF HER LIFE. If not, well then thank GOD she met Lindsey, because if she hadn't, then she never would have written a worthwhile song in her life.

It boggles my entire psyche to think that anyone in their right mind would actually sabotage relationships and be purposefully involved in dramas just for the sake of having conflict to write about. As much of a POW as Stevie may be, I don't think she engineers drama and heartache simply to have a source for inspiration. She may be a slightly crazy artiste, but that is self destructive in the extreme, and in my opinion, is a patently ridiculous belief. Were there any truth to it, I would suggest institutionalizing the songwriter in question. She's a little nutty, but she is not a sociopath.

Nah..I don't think Stevie purposely sabotaged her relationship with LB or any man, to have something to write about. People sabotage things subconsciously sometimes. Old fears, betrayal, overwhelming pain and loss could cause some people to ruin things even when they might not want to. (not saying Stevie did that for sure)

"it's all about protection"
"why am I always so intense?"
"her destiny said she was destined to run"
"turn around and see me running"
"come along, lay down and talk to me, tell me all your fear will allow"
"don't be afraid to fight..love is the sweet surprise"

[Kelly]

Originally Posted by glitter_fades

No she is not. She looks great...very Scarlet O'Haraish. Scene after scene stolen from GWTW.

Civil War= fighting with one's own people or within the confines of a relationship and destroying each other /everyone around in the process

Climax GWTW= grief over the death of a loved one shakes woman into realizing the person she's constantly running from is her only salvation

Conclusion= "Frankly Stevie I don't give a damn" Mr. Salvation has been tested to the limits too often and has temporarily checked out at the worst possible time.

Exactly. Thankfully someone else gets it.

BTW...why does it seem like every time certain songs are being discussed and people express the opinion that they believe LB inspired parts or all of those songs, that others start saying we believe EVERTHING she EVER wrote is about LB? That is so unfair. I think alot of what she wrote contains unresolved feelings, longing for LB but certainnly not everything. I can name six or seven songs without even trying that I believe are about Mick. Others I think are about Joe. Some I think are about Robin. It is a downer on an otherwise interesting discussion to try to insinuate that those who think a large part of her writing is about Lindsey cannot understand that she has had other inspirations. (including men) Some people seem to feel that if Stevie is writing about LB in songs like Edge, SB, BAtB, Sorcerer, Landslide..it somehow diminishes their worth or her worth as a poet. Poets write about what inspires them.....Stevie has flat out said Lindsey inspires her on Jim Ladd. Interesting she also added that she inspires HIM, yet there are still LB fans who will say he stopped writing about her in 1977.
I have to wonder if those same people have taken the time to even listen to the lyrics in many of his GoS songs. (and the VSO harmony vocals he felt compelled to add along with him)
Oh and the comment a few posts back that Stevie intentionally says stuff is about LB to feed the hype? Wow..that is a stretch IMHO.

[xxxmx]

Originally Posted by sparky

the horror inducing spider-eating-the-fly visual of Mick...

these words, so perfect... the horror...

[xxxmx]

Originally Posted by Kelly

I think alot of what she wrote contains unresolved feelings, longing for LB but certainnly not everything...
It is a downer on an otherwise interesting discussion to try to insinuate that those who think a large part of her writing is about Lindsey cannot understand that she has had other inspirations. (including men)...
Poets write about what inspires them...

when i say that she's always writing about lindsey, i mean for that to say that he's shaped her and shaped a part of how she thinks about and relates to others. we're all affected by the relationships and experiences of the past and i know very few people who claim that those have no current impact on their lives. the person i am today is what it is because of all of those decisions and people and places and whatnot that affected me. if i (had any talent and was able to sit down and) write poetry/lyrics, that's all going to come out... even if i'm not sitting down and trying to coax it out.

poets certainly do write about what inspires them, what is more inspiring than one's own feelings/memories/self?

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by Kelly

Nah..I don't think Stevie purposely sabotaged her relationship with LB or any man, to have something to write about. . . .

I think she did not end anything on purpose. I think like we all have experienced, things don't workd out. I think she did, however, eventually blame her choice of career and the obligations and guilt from not fulfilling them (she keeps many employed ) which resulted in the TOSOTM and SA songs and then when we get to Sweet Girl, we see her resolving herself to it. In the end, I think she has a nack (sp.?) for harping on the destitute feeling of lost love and people seem to get it and that is no matter which love she is talking about.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by dudden22

Again I think this is all just a show because that is what the fans obviously want her songs to be about. I think she has had too many life experiences for all her songs to be about lindsey and mick.

Well, MF was really only in the songs written before Tusk. I do not think she has written one about him after then other than in a general way when writing about her experiences in FM.

Also, she was very, very specific in interviews about BD and LB does have beautiful blue eyes and she knew she would one day work her way back to him, which she did at her own initiation in the Twisted project - she initiated that healing process

I guess I am one that thinks she and LB have had a continued romance, so it is not at all strange to me that his continued presence in her life and vice versa is a source for material. When I say continued romance, I am uncertain on what level it is continued and though the rumors abound, we can be sure by their own admission it is at least on stage and they have a freindship now, when they had neither for years. I mean anyone who saw them sing SG would be hard pressed to deny the palpable emotion to this day no matter its presence at every show and no matter how rote the actual display was Same thing for Silver Springs in 97. It broke my heart everytime I saw both. But, no matter that continued source of inspiration - clearly she has had other loves who are subjects of songs - Henley was in L&L (though it was written for WJ and JFC) and The Highwayman - I think Joe Walsh was for Long Way to Go (which she says he was), Two Kinds of Love, and many others.

Finally, Stevie writes about the tragedy she has experienced in songs like Street Angel.

so, not everything is about LB or MF, though many were. I just do not think it is that big of a deal that she likes to write about LB and he likes to write about her.

[David]

Originally Posted by sodascouts

I don't think you'd get any argument there. I know of no one who believes 100% of Stevie's work to be about Lindsey.

But I did get an argument there. I said that some people think that every Stevie Nicks song is about Lindsey, & that to write about nothing for 30 years but Lindsey might be a sign of some serious neurosis. You countered with an example of a writer who -- like millions of other writers -- wrote about a single woman throughout his life (but did not confine all his work to that topic).

When did this become about me squelching your beliefs and acting as your enemy? My reply was one sentence which simply brought up an example of a great poet who spent a good part of his life writing about a love affair and its fallout.

You're being disingenuous. Your reply was specifically meant to pop a hole in something I said -- only I never said what your reply was implying I said.

I found it contextually relevant because Petrarch's love sonnets were indeed all about one relationship.

It may have been contextually relevant to the thread, sodascouts, but in its polemic, it was an unfair & inaccurate representation of something I said. You ascribed a particular stance to me that I did not -- or would not -- take. In fact, I think a lot of Stevie Nicks songs are about Lindsey, & I have never said or thought otherwise. Am I being impugned because I think only, say, 15 Stevie Nicks songs are about Lindsey instead of, oh, 30? or 35? or some other number?

I did not realize you were confining your argument to debunking the beliefs of a hypothetical group consisting of people who see Lindsey in songs about forgotten chimpanzees and bombs in the desert.

Why hypothetical? Because you yourself have never encountered anyone who thought all of Stevie's work is ultimately about Lindsey? If you haven't met 'em, they ain't there? And regardless of the question as to whether they really are there, my statements were clearly characterizing them, not the thousands of us who think Stevie wrote 15 songs or 30 songs or 72 songs about Lindsey. It's as if you meant to paint me as someone who doesn't believe that any of Stevie's songs are about Lindsey.

So, to set the record straight, I have no wish to be your enemy.

HA! You're filled with disgust & revulsion at the thought of me.

I treat you no differently than I would treat anyone else who made that statement.

Again, who made what statement? That writers can't possibly write about a lover across decades? I never made such a statement!

I always thought you were one who enjoyed a good debate, and I'm frankly puzzled as to what you seem to feel I am attacking you when I cast no personal aspersions. I simply stated a fact.

Disingenuousness again. Sure, you stated a fact, but one that was couched in attitude & designed specifically to puncture a point that I really didn't make & to ascribe a stance to me that I have never taken.

You can contest its applicability but to say I am not granting you your beliefs because I dared to bring up a possible weakness in your argument? Surprising.

I contest its applicability only because it implies I believe X when I don't, & never really said I did.

Unless this is about something else? I can think of only one time when I haven't "allowed" you a fiction and, as you recall, that was a different issue entirely.

I believe it's about something else. You probably have profound hatred for anything I say or do. Maybe I rankle you, the way I rankle several other fans who ascribe all sorts of monstrous motives to me.

[glitter_fades]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I just do not think it is that big of a deal that she likes to write about LB and he likes to write about her.

Thanks for saying this. I don't think it's a big deal either. I've hinted around that perhaps some of Stevie's biggest fans would be let down if they thought she wrote about one person or relationship too often. I wonder the same about die-hard LB fans. I hope it's not true. I think it could be one reason SN and LB are not willing to discuss every song or certain songs about one another. It's also likely too painful, and certainly was at the time some songs were written, to deal with those subjects out in the open all the time. IMO there are many hints and clues surrounding their song inspirations and meanings, given on both sides, when it comes to understanding the nearly 40 year conversation they've had called their music career. I don't think the unfolding of which has been by design as some mention. Nobody could or would endure the things they have just to sell records or maintain fame. I don't believe the hints and clues in their songwriting about one another exist for the benefit of the audience either, or to make people more interested in the band because of the drama surrounding their relationship. On the contrary, I think both have tried to deflect as much speculation as possible due to the heavy emotional turmoil each has suffered about everyone knowing and judging them on every aspect of their dysfunctional relationship. A lot of the meaning in their work is visible to me as an older life-long fan and comes from things I've seen unfolding across a long period of time. I see some meaningful clues in their work being meant only for each other to understand. Meaning also comes through to me from certain things not discussed by them as much as what is literally said in interviews, liner notes or in the lyrics themselves. In the end it doesn't matter to me what, why, or who their songs are about because it wouldn't change my enjoyment of their music by finding out something was different than I thought. Because the subject of their relationship is such a hot button issue, and I don't think it should be, wouldn't it be sad if the reason they may not have resolved all turmoil surrounding them, if any still exists, is because they can't be open or honest with themselves, each other, or their fans for fear of altering opinions about their musical and personal legacy in a negative way with their own fans, nevermind how it would look overall in the public eye?

ON EDIT: Just to clarify, this doesn't mean every song they've ever written is only about each other. That's ridiculous. I'm only referring to the songs which everyone knows are and the several songs many feel might be about their relationship but we're afraid to discuss becasue the authors don't want to discuss it either. lol

[glitter_fades]

Originally Posted by David

You're being disingenuous. Your reply was specifically meant to pop a hole in something I said -- only I never said what your reply was implying I said.

It may have been contextually relevant to the thread, sodascouts, but in its polemic, it was an unfair & inaccurate representation of something I said. You ascribed a particular stance to me that I did not -- or would not -- take. In fact, I think a lot of Stevie Nicks songs are about Lindsey, & I have never said or thought otherwise.

Why hypothetical? Because you yourself have never encountered anyone who thought all of Stevie's work is ultimately about Lindsey? If you haven't met 'em, they ain't there? And regardless of the question as to whether they really are there, my statements were clearly characterizing them, not the thousands of us who think Stevie wrote 15 songs or 30 songs or 72 songs about Lindsey.

It's as if you meant to paint me as someone who doesn't believe that any of Stevie's songs are about Lindsey.

Sure, you stated a fact, but one that was couched in attitude & designed specifically to puncture a point that I really didn't make & to ascribe a stance to me that I have never taken. I contest its applicability only because it implies I believe X when I don't, & never really said I did.

Can I borrow some of these quotes for my arguments with Strand?

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by glitter_fades

Can I borrow some of these quotes for my arguments with Strand?

and just when we were getting along

[glitter_fades]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

and just when we were getting along

We are, dear. We are. I promise. First thing I said in my other post was "Thanks."

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by glitter_fades

We are, dear. We are. I promise. First thing I said in my other post was "Thanks."

I know - I was being tongue in cheek We actually agree far more than we disagree - though it takes some discussion to get there

[GardenStateGirlie]

Originally Posted by glitter_fades

Can I borrow some of these quotes for my arguments with Strand?

If he ever starts to chap your ass ever so slightly, just remember...he's sitting there in his birthday suit

You crazy kids, you!

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by GardenStateGirlie

If he ever starts to chap your ass ever so slightly, just remember...he's sitting there in his birthday suit

You crazy kids, you!

drinking and smoking a la Margot Channing. Actually, to full appreciate me, you MUST lope from bar to bar with me in Manhattan or some other city all while I am espousing my theories while in my own head I think people are listening Of course, we tried in Vegas and thenyou would have seen. BTW - I usually belt a few show tunes out as well