Former guard testifies Jackson engaged in sex act with boy

[Mad4stevie]

There was some poll out that Dan Abrams mentioned last night on his show on MSNBC (I LOVE HIM) where only 1% of all adults polled found that Michael Jackson had a positive influence. About 70% thought he had a very negative influence. Amazing considering that he is an internationally recognized superstar (albeit a while ago).

[The Tower]

Well, there's one guaranteed way to tell if all this shower stuff is true or not. If MJ's defense attorney cross examines the shower victims, it ain't true. If he declines, then it's definitely true.

[Mad4stevie]

Originally Posted by The Tower

Well, there's one guaranteed way to tell if all this shower stuff is true or not. If MJ's defense attorney cross examines the shower victims, it ain't true. If he declines, then it's definitely true.

Huh?

"Guaranteed"? Well, I guess the jury might as well just turn in the verdict now if credibility depends on Thomas Messareau's legal techniques.

[The Tower]

Originally Posted by Mad4stevie

"Guaranteed"? Well, I guess the jury might as well just turn in the verdict now if credibility depends on Thomas Messareau's legal techniques.

Well, let's see. In general, high level attorneys are not complete idiots. I'm assuming that Messareau has said to MJ, "Look, I need to know- did you do any of the stuff that you are accused of?" I mean, defense attorneys have gotta know the score in order to build their case. If Jackson did molest all these kids and he's an idiot, which is entirely possible, then he may have said, "No, I'm completely innocent." Now, if MJ came clean and said yes or no truthfully and the he really is innocent, then Messareau is going to subpoena any involved in these shower claims and rip them to shreds. However, if MJ came clean and said, "Yeah I ****ed around with these boys", then Messareau is going to stay far, far, away from allowing anyone to give any more damaging testimony then they've already stated. This is just my take on it as a nobody.

Wednesday there was a whole pile of people boo-hooing and praising what a wonderful man Johnny Cochren was. All I could think was "Jeez, I'll bet ya anything O.J. told him 'yeah, I killed the bitch' and yet he still defended him and got him off." I know I wouldn't be able to sleep at night knowing that I allowed someone to escape punishment for murdering his wife.

[DrummerDeanna]

Originally Posted by The Tower

Well, let's see. In general, high level attorneys are not complete idiots. I'm assuming that Messareau has said to MJ, "Look, I need to know- did you do any of the stuff that you are accused of?" I mean, defense attorneys have gotta know the score in order to build their case. If Jackson did molest all these kids and he's an idiot, which is entirely possible, then he may have said, "No, I'm completely innocent." Now, if MJ came clean and said yes or no truthfully and the he really is innocent, then Messareau is going to subpoena any involved in these shower claims and rip them to shreds. However, if MJ came clean and said, "Yeah I ****ed around with these boys", then Messareau is going to stay far, far, away from allowing anyone to give any more damaging testimony then they've already stated. This is just my take on it as a nobody.

Wednesday there was a whole pile of people boo-hooing and praising what a wonderful man Johnny Cochren was. All I could think was "Jeez, I'll bet ya anything O.J. told him 'yeah, I killed the bitch' and yet he still defended him and got him off." I know I wouldn't be able to sleep at night knowing that I allowed someone to escape punishment for murdering his wife.

I don't know - In a lot of these cases - people who are truly sick - they don't think they're necessarily doing anything wrong

MJ may seriously think that he's done absolutely nothing wrong- even if he has - he may believe that he hasn't....

It happens...and I MJ is obviously not well....he swears to the heavens he's had no plastic surgery done...HELLO!?! He may actually believe that...THAT is the sad and sick part....many times people's own lies become their truths...

[BTFLCHLD]

burnt toast

[skcin]

Originally Posted by DrummerDeanna

I don't know - In a lot of these cases - people who are truly sick - they don't think they're necessarily doing anything wrong

MJ may seriously think that he's done absolutely nothing wrong- even if he has - he may believe that he hasn't....

It happens...and I MJ is obviously not well....he swears to the heavens he's had no plastic surgery done...HELLO!?! He may actually believe that...THAT is the sad and sick part....many times people's own lies become their truths...

I completely & totally agree with you Dee. I think he's delusional.

[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by The Tower

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Wednesday there was a whole pile of people boo-hooing and praising what a wonderful man Johnny Cochren was. All I could think was "Jeez, I'll bet ya anything O.J. told him 'yeah, I killed the bitch' and yet he still defended him and got him off." I know I wouldn't be able to sleep at night knowing that I allowed someone to escape punishment for murdering his wife.

I also saw the footage of the not-guilty verdict replaid where Cochran embraced Simpson which made my stomach turn all over again. I nearly screamed when the verdict was read and I was at a restaurant. It is still just as horrifying today. I also heard Sharpton quoted as talking about how great the "you must acquit" crap was. Cochran died early of a guilty conscience, or these are the years he traded with the devil for that OJ verdict.

[cliffdweller]

Originally Posted by SuzeQuze

Cochran died early of a guilty conscience, or these are the years he traded with the devil for that OJ verdict.

so true. And what irks me further is that it seems like the press was trying to make some kind of beloved character out of him when he died. What a load of crap.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by SuzeQuze

I also saw the footage of the not-guilty verdict replaid where Cochran embraced Simpson which made my stomach turn all over again. I nearly screamed when the verdict was read and I was at a restaurant. It is still just as horrifying today. I also heard Sharpton quoted as talking about how great the "you must acquit" crap was. Cochran died early of a guilty conscience, or these are the years he traded with the devil for that OJ verdict.

I just want to remind everyone of Cochran's work as a civil rights lawyer and his work on the Geronimo Pratt and Abner Louima cases.
That said, I think O.J. was guilty. But he had a right to a defense and that was Cochran's job.

[The Tower]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

I just want to remind everyone of Cochran's work as a civil rights lawyer and his work on the Geronimo Pratt and Abner Louima cases.
That said, I think O.J. was guilty. But he had a right to a defense and that was Cochran's job.

I agree with you. He did do some great things.

Yes, O.J. had a right to a defense, but Cochran wasn't forced to do it. He knew O.J. butchered his wife and he took money to get him off- he did it for the cash. Plain and simple. It's reality and it's sickening.

I can't imagine how awful it would be to be a public defense attorney- they HAVE to defend the accused who have confidentially admitted their guilt but still want to get off.

[Mad4stevie]

Originally Posted by The Tower

Well, let's see. In general, high level attorneys are not complete idiots. I'm assuming that Messareau has said to MJ, "Look, I need to know- did you do any of the stuff that you are accused of?" I mean, defense attorneys have gotta know the score in order to build their case. If Jackson did molest all these kids and he's an idiot, which is entirely possible, then he may have said, "No, I'm completely innocent." Now, if MJ came clean and said yes or no truthfully and the he really is innocent, then Messareau is going to subpoena any involved in these shower claims and rip them to shreds. However, if MJ came clean and said, "Yeah I ****ed around with these boys", then Messareau is going to stay far, far, away from allowing anyone to give any more damaging testimony then they've already stated. This is just my take on it as a nobody.

Wednesday there was a whole pile of people boo-hooing and praising what a wonderful man Johnny Cochren was. All I could think was "Jeez, I'll bet ya anything O.J. told him 'yeah, I killed the bitch' and yet he still defended him and got him off." I know I wouldn't be able to sleep at night knowing that I allowed someone to escape punishment for murdering his wife.

There are many criminal defense attorneys that do not ask if their client commited the crime. They focus on the reasonable doubt issue instead of the innocence issue.

I don't for one second believe that Wacko Jacko would admit anything inappropriate to his lawyer. He is in denial. I mean, how many times has he lied about how many plastic surgeries he has had? I don't think he has the ability to be rational. Also, remember how Jacko didn't even call his lawyer the day he didn't show up in court and left poor Tom hung out to dry in front of the judge? Sounds to me as if there is not a great level of communication between the two of them. He should have been the first person Jacko called when he wasn't gonna show up.

[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by Mad4stevie

There are many criminal defense attorneys that do not ask if their client commited the crime. They focus on the reasonable doubt issue instead of the innocence issue.

I don't for one second believe that Wacko Jacko would admit anything inappropriate to his lawyer. He is in denial. I mean, how many times has he lied about how many plastic surgeries he has had? I don't think he has the ability to be rational. Also, remember how Jacko didn't even call his lawyer the day he didn't show up in court and left poor Tom hung out to dry in front of the judge? Sounds to me as if there is not a great level of communication between the two of them. He should have been the first person Jacko called when he wasn't gonna show up.

He's a mental mess, he is a very very very sick man on so many levels. And he's not credible at all because of this.

[DrummerDeanna]

Originally Posted by Mad4stevie

There are many criminal defense attorneys that do not ask if their client commited the crime. They focus on the reasonable doubt issue instead of the innocence issue.

I don't for one second believe that Wacko Jacko would admit anything inappropriate to his lawyer. He is in denial. I mean, how many times has he lied about how many plastic surgeries he has had? I don't think he has the ability to be rational. Also, remember how Jacko didn't even call his lawyer the day he didn't show up in court and left poor Tom hung out to dry in front of the judge? Sounds to me as if there is not a great level of communication between the two of them. He should have been the first person Jacko called when he wasn't gonna show up.

Right? That's more or less what I was trying to say....he's totally deluded...I don't think HE thinks he's done anything wrong or innapropriate...he needs some intensive mental HELP...and to be locked up away from kids...

The think I fear is that he'll be found not-guilty and there will still be stupid ass parents who will send their kids to see him....I hope that's not the case...it's just what I fear.

[Mad4stevie]

Originally Posted by DrummerDeanna

Right? That's more or less what I was trying to say....he's totally deluded...I don't think HE thinks he's done anything wrong or innapropriate...he needs some intensive mental HELP...and to be locked up away from kids...

The think I fear is that he'll be found not-guilty and there will still be stupid ass parents who will send their kids to see him....I hope that's not the case...it's just what I fear.

Yep. I don't see that anyone can paint Jacko as rational with his decisionmaking. One poor decision after another.

There is a big fear that he will be found not guilty. Juries are too unpredictable.

The only thing that Messareau can do is poke holes in the credibility of the prosecution's witnesses. That is the defense attorney's job. His client certainly isn't credible and would be a disaster on the stand. There is no way to "prove his innocence".