new stuff from la nicks?!?!?

[David]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I agree. Interestingly, Stevie dance remixes of POTU received HUGE club airplay for years.

Yes, but that's a niche market. That's why Billboard has a separate chart for it, wouldn't you think? Some kids go to clubs, but most kids don't, or don't go often. Planets is a perfect example of something that gets a momentary blaze of popularity within that niche, but that still doesn't generate additional sales in substantial numbers of the album it comes from.

Stevie's fans bought about one million Shangri-La albums. What percentage of them regularly go clubbing? The majority? No way.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by ontheEdgeof17

I think EFO had great potential. However, her vocals should have been more intense and on target and it should have been a Stevie Nicks song and not a Fleetwood Mac song. It would have been a great first single out of the gate.

I don't think so. Classic rock stations would have balked at playing that type of song. What she needs to do, in my opinion, is go back to rock.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by David

Yes, but that's a niche market. That's why Billboard has a separate chart for it, wouldn't you think? Some kids go to clubs, but most kids don't, or don't go often. Planets is a perfect example of something that gets a momentary blaze of popularity within that niche, but that still doesn't generate additional sales in substantial numbers of the album it comes from.

Stevie's fans bought about one million Shangri-La albums. What percentage of them regularly go clubbing? The majority? No way.

I agree - I was just noting that that was her last "hit" and that hit got her exposure to a whole new group of young people that probably had never heard of her. So, that was in a way a marketing tool

[dissention]

Originally Posted by David

Yes, but that's a niche market. That's why Billboard has a separate chart for it, wouldn't you think? Some kids go to clubs, but most kids don't, or don't go often. Planets is a perfect example of something that gets a momentary blaze of popularity within that niche, but that still doesn't generate additional sales in substantial numbers of the album it comes from.

Stevie's fans bought about one million Shangri-La albums. What percentage of them regularly go clubbing? The majority? No way.

Clubs also calculate playlists based almost entirely on the remixers, not the artists being remixed. The fact that Stevie had a song remixed by a rather hot remixer is what helped her in that arena.

[ontheEdgeof17]

Originally Posted by dissention

I don't think so. Classic rock stations would have balked at playing that type of song. What she needs to do, in my opinion, is go back to rock.

It shouldn't be released to Classic Rock Stations because it's not a Classic Rock song. She needs more mainstream hits.....


.....and rock? I dunno if she has ever been 'rock'.....a few songs here and there maybe.....

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by dissention

Clubs also calculate playlists based almost entirely on the remixers, not the artists being remixed. The fact that Stevie had a song remixed by a rather hot remixer is what helped her in that arena.

Totally, but clearly her name and her the public's general like of her or at least what she used to be, played a significant role in that initial interest. I mean Tracy Young said it was as much of an honor to remix La Nicks as it was to remix Madonna. That is huge in my book.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by ontheEdgeof17

It shouldn't be released to Classic Rock Stations because it's not a Classic Rock song. She needs more mainstream hits.....

.....and rock? I dunno if she has ever been 'rock'.....a few songs here and there maybe.....

You can't get very mainstream if you don't release your song to your key demographic, which is the classic rock crowd in Stevie's case. Alienating that audience isn't going to do very much to get your song some airplay, let alone sell albums.

[David]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I was responding to the comment that Stevie needs to get on the radio by saying those songs got airplay when they came out - they were given a chance to be hits - they were not wholly ignored by radio, etc.

Well, yes, but that's sort of a given, isn't it? Aren't there always a lot more songs that get "initial airplay" than there are big hits? The big hits are a subset of total airplay, no?

They did not, however, hit, with the exception of the dance remixes of POTU. So, I do not think getting on the radio is the problem. I think it is the lack on interest by the public, etc.

But if listeners were interested, the song would be a hit, right? The DJs don't just play a new Stevie Nicks song 24 hours a day because they like it. The listeners have to like it -- they have to love it. They have to e-mail the station or call the station & plead with them to hear it. Don't they compile playlists based on noisy listeners? What other criterion would they possibly use? the studio where the song was cut? the weather?

[dissention]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Totally, but clearly her name and her the public's general like of her or at least what she used to be, played a significant role in that initial interest. I mean Tracy Young said it was as much of an honor to remix La Nicks as it was to remix Madonna. That is huge in my book.

I think the fact that it was a good remix by a good remixer is what helped it play so big after being sent to clubs. Tracy Young's name is what got it serviced to them in the first place, not Stevie Nicks. To say that clubbers have a "general like" or "interest" in Stevie doesn't sound like it rings very true to me.

[strandinthewind]

Interestingly, the radio stations here were inundated with email for the TISL singles. I, of course, being responsible for many of those But, I agree they were not hits. I was just saying that they got airplay in the beginning, which I think someone suggested they did not when they said we have to figure out how to get her on the radio - I was like - well she was on the radio, it is just no significant number of people cared about it, which is, I think, your point.

[skcin]

Originally Posted by ontheEdgeof17

.....and rock? I dunno if she has ever been 'rock'.....a few songs here and there maybe.....

I think she's always been rock, with a little bit of country, dance & 80's cheese thrown in from time to time.

[ontheEdgeof17]

Originally Posted by dissention

You can't get very mainstream if you don't release your song to your key demographic, which is the classic rock crowd in Stevie's case. Alienating that audience isn't going to do very much to get your song some airplay, let alone sell albums.

The Classic Rock stations around here don't play anything new....They stick to the 60s, 70s, 80s, and early 90s. They have the same songs being rotated over and over. I dunno if it is like that anywhere else, but why try to stay in that market if you can't promote over the radio?

[dissention]

Originally Posted by David

But if listeners were interested, the song would be a hit, right? The DJs don't just play a new Stevie Nicks song 24 hours a day because they like it. The listeners have to like it -- they have to love it. They have to e-mail the station or call the station & plead with them to hear it. Don't they compile playlists based on noisy listeners? What other criterion would they possibly use? the studio where the song was cut? the weather?

Interestingly, one of the stations I listen to rarely played Peacekeeper or any of the other mainstream fluff off of SYW, they played Come and Running Through the Garden of all songs. I almost choked on my Wheaties the morning I heard Come blast out of my radio.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by dissention

I think the fact that it was a good remix by a good remixer is what helped it play so big after being sent to clubs. Tracy Young's name is what got it serviced to them in the first place, not Stevie Nicks. To say that clubbers have a "general like" or "interest" in Stevie doesn't sound like it rings very true to me.

Remixes of the larger artists, which Stevie clearly is - tend to cause a commotion. Of course, the better known remixers/DJ's generally get the larger artists. So, this is a chicken and egg argument. But, in the end, I think it is incorrect to say that La Nicks name and her product had nothing whatsoever to do with the popularity of the remix. I mean that remix was being played in clubs as of last Summer, which was just about the last time I left my cave to venture into one

[dissention]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Remixes of the larger artists, which Stevie clearly is - tend to cause a commotion. Of course, the better known remixers/DJ's generally get the larger artists. So, this is a chicken and egg argument. But, in the end, I think it is incorrect to say that La Nicks name and her product had nothing whatsoever to do with the popularity of the remix. I mean that remix was being played in clubs as of last Summer, which was just about the last time I left my cave to venture into one

We'll agree to disagree, love.