Fleetwood Mac's Best Produced Song

[dissention]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

In my opinion, neither Chris nor Lindsey has HAD a ****ty solo album(a claim the queen of Fairy Farts(copywrite Diss) can't make. And my opinion, is the only one that matters.

It's the Queen of Velvet Fountains and Fairy Farts, dear.

I don't know, the first time I heard Law and Order, I thought it was putrid. It grew on me faster than a fungus and I now adore it, but the first time I heard Bwana, I almost left this cruel world because the projectile vomiting was so bad.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by David

Everybody sure loves that one, but I can't figure it out. To me it just sounds like a bunch of strummed guitars.

For me, part of its beauty is the simplistic arrangement. Lindsey was smart to keep it unfettered.
Meanwhile, Stevie's voice soars... she sounds at once wistful and hopeful. How she can get her oddball little voice to convey such a gamut of emotions is always endlessly fascinating to me.
But she does it -- and she does it in spades on this performance.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by dissention

It's the Queen of Velvet Fountains and Fairy Farts, dear.

That's my abridged version, and I'm sticking with it!

Originally Posted by dissention

I don't know, the first time I heard Law and Order, I thought it was putrid. It grew on me faster than a fungus and I now adore it, but the first time I heard Bwana, I almost left this cruel world because the projectile vomiting was so bad.

BUT, you came to realize that it was GREATNESS. ART requires more than pandering to the masses, ala......(you know who - whether it's successful pandering or not ).
Law and Order is FREAKY DEAKY(how does one spell "deaky"), and I LOVE it!
Is L&O weird? You betcha...
WHILE we're on the pandering subject, rehashing a 30 yo breakup onstage every night, playing the same freaking songs, is the DEFINITION of pandering!

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by dissention

I don't know, the first time I heard Law and Order, I thought it was putrid. It grew on me faster than a fungus and I now adore it, but the first time I heard Bwana, I almost left this cruel world because the projectile vomiting was so bad.

I loved 'Law & Order' right from the start. My uncle gave me his LP of it after I became a huge Machead, and I made a copy of it onto cassette and listened to it on my walkman constantly.

For the record, my uncle was a big LB fan, but then got cheesed off with the direction he was going in when 'Go Insane' came out and lost interest in him completely.
I think i've mentioned before that I'm slowly trying to get him back into him, through his more recent work.

[wondergirl9847]

I scratched my head at Bwana too when I first heard it...and most of L&O. Also, I HATED Time Bomb Town as a 9 year old, but almost 20 years later, it's one of my favorite songs. I love Bwana now too, his vocal on that is insanely cool.

Lindsey's music for the most part is grower-type music. You don't listen to it once and go "WOWIE!! I'm hooked!" Some of his songs are very hooky, but most aren't, they take time. You Do or You Don't took some time to grow on me and most of the Tusk songs are that way too, they are so in your face, and some people don't like that. LOL

[amber]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

I like it, too. BUT, she sounds like a monotone during the verses. Seriously, listen to it. She mostly sticks to one note for the entire verse. Droning....imo, but I love the song, so I forgave her!

Way late, but I disagree on the one note thing. I thought she was very, uh...inventive on the notes in that version of Gypsy.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

ART requires more than pandering to the masses, ala......(you know who - whether it's successful pandering or not ).

Now, Now, Homie. To each his own as far as musical tastes, and I'm not looking to start another epic debate here... but we can't bash Stevie for "pandering to the masses" while letting Christine go scott-free.
We're in "Double Standard" territory again with that.

Lindsey has cited Christine as one of the biggest opponents in FM to his more off the wall approach, and her three solo albums definitely demonstrate her "mainstream sensibilities." If one wants to be cynical about it, Christine's music has always been "middle of the road" and "for the masses" (the fact that she's had the most hit singles with the band, is a further demonstration of that fact).

I'm not knocking Christine here, mind you. My opinion is that if you LIKE pop music, and you WANT to make pop music, then there's absolutely no reason why you shouldn't.

With perhaps a few exceptions here and there, Christine and Stevie have seemingly always recorded the type of music THEY wanted to record. That's not "pandering to the masses," it's being true to one's own personal preferences.

Christine and Stevie have more mainstream tastes... and sometimes that frustrates fans... but that doesn't lessen the value of their artistry.

[PenguinHead]

Originally Posted by Neal

I'd definitely say any song from TITN is an example of great production. The only downside (IMHO) is that songs overproduced in the studio often don't translate well live; i.e. any song from TITN.

Fair enough. Yet if we didn't have the studio album to make that comparison, and there was nothing to "translate," how then would you judge those live performances?

It's not my favorite era of the band, but I think the few songs that they did do were fine: Seven Wonders, Little Lies, Everywhere, Isn't It Midnight. I don't compare studio songs against their live performances. I'm not looking for them to replicate their studio sound. I found out very early on, in the seventies, that the live Fleetwood Mac band was a very different animal from their studio band.

When it was just the five of them, I really liked the rough-around-edges interpretations of their live performances. They couldn't replicate their studio
sound, so it was always interesting to hear how they reconciled that.

Once they started adding numerous background singers and musicians, they leaned more toward closer resemblance to the studio versions and lost, in my mind, a certain rock and roll edge. Hmmm...come to think about it, you're assessment is probably accurate!

Now I wonder what the Tango songs would have sounded like if Lindsey stayed and toured with the band, and they didn't add the background musicians. The songs would have been less polished, but maybe better!

Who wants to go to concert just to hear carbon copies of their studio versions? I don't.

[henryscutter]

Its all subjective; A lot of people don't like Lindsey's solo albums ( not because they dont get it, they do and they still think it sucks) I personally like a lot of it, but most people I play it for don't. I either get comments about it sounding gay ( which there is nothing wrong with to quote Jerry Seinfeld ) or they will say something about the movie Deliverance So if you want label Stevie go ahead, but who cares its just your opinion like the ones above are others opinions. Here's another opinion : I don't see anything special about Christine's solo albums

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

Now, Now, Homie. To each his own as far as musical tastes, and I'm not looking to start another epic debate here... but we can't bash Stevie for "pandering to the masses" while letting Christine go scott-free.
We're in "Double Standard" territory again with that.

Maybe we are, although Christine's never had an OSOTM. My gawd, that thing sucks, and forced me to cash in my Stevie fandom ticket. RAL almost sucked as bad....

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

Lindsey has cited Christine as one of the biggest opponents in FM to his more off the wall approach, and her three solo albums definitely demonstrate her "mainstream sensibilities." If one wants to be cynical about it, Christine's music has always been "middle of the road" and "for the masses" (the fact that she's had the most hit singles with the band, is a further demonstration of that fact).

Odd you're equating my fandom with Christine, and not Lindsey....

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

With perhaps a few exceptions here and there, Christine and Stevie have seemingly always recorded the type of music THEY wanted to record. That's not "pandering to the masses," it's being true to one's own personal preferences.

Lindsey's a freak, and I love him for that!

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

Christine and Stevie have more mainstream tastes... and sometimes that frustrates fans... but that doesn't lessen the value of their artistry.

Perhaps my frustration lies more with how even Stevie's CRAP is worshipped over FAR more artistic contributions by Lindsey and Christine.

[amber]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

Maybe we are, although Christine's never had an OSOTM. My gawd, that thing sucks, and forced me to cash in my Stevie fandom ticket. RAL almost sucked as bad....

Perhaps my frustration lies more with how even Stevie's CRAP is worshipped over FAR more artistic contributions by Lindsey and Christine.

Not that you're talking to me, but RAL and OSOTM are my favorite solo albums, so far.
What can we say about stevie's "crap"? There must be a reason people like it - I, personally, can't get enough of the strangeness of the voice quality, the phrasing, the harmonies. She's unusual. And, of course, it's very subjective to call someone's contributions "far more artistic" because none of the three can do what the other does - in my eyes they're separate but equal.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by henryscutter

Here's another opinion : I don't see anything special about Christine's solo albums

Well, beauty is in the eye of the beerholder.
And, Newbie, opinions.......are like..........what is it?
Oh yeah! I "think" I remember........(I'm not giving a rude answer, out of sheeeer politeness)

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by amber

Not that you're talking to me, but RAL and OSOTM are my favorite solo albums, so far.

(Shudder) Wow, Bella Donna was/is greatness......Wild Heart was darn good. IMO, the rest rolled straight downhill, like a 10 ton boulder! Look at the SALES. Do you think the public just "got over her"? Sales(IMO=duh) was indicative of the quality of the project. Especially riding the wave she was on. She dropped the ball, errrr, boulder.

[amber]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

(Shudder) Wow, Bella Donna was/is greatness......Wild Heart was darn good. IMO, the rest rolled straight downhill, like a 10 ton boulder! Look at the SALES. Do you think the public just "got over her"? Sales(IMO=duh) was indicative of the quality of the project. Especially riding the wave she was on. She dropped the ball, errrr, boulder.

mmmkay, whatev. I only got all three recently, I guess she could've "dropped the ball" or whatever, but judging now, with all four in hand at once, that's how I feel. The first 4 songs of Wild Heart bore me to tears, and I haven't listened to BD as much, but that's because when I did, i was bored. Except, of course, BD has 2 of my faves of all time, EO17 and SDMHA - It could grow on me, but RAL and OSOTM grew on me first. Cause I liked them better. Cause they have beats. mmmm, beats.

[henryscutter]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

Well, beauty is in the eye of the beerholder.
And, Newbie, opinions.......are like..........what is it?
Oh yeah! I "think" I remember........(I'm not giving a rude answer, out of sheeeer politeness)

I'll be polite too and won't say anything about an old farts opinion