Live 1980 and The Dance 1997 - Page 3

David · #31 02-26-2005, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by PenguinHead

The Tusk tour was their most massive tour up until that time. I like that they recorded many of the shows and (someone) selected what they thought were the best performances. But having listened to so many shows from that tour, there were some amazing performances that would have better represented the songs.

The original plans were to make the album just the last two nights of the tour in L.A. I'd have been really happy with that!

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Correct me if I am wrong, but I think the following songs were the only ones from the Rumours tour:

Monday Morning
Say You Love Me
Rhiannon
Don't Let Me Down Again

All of those, plus Dreams, Over My Head & Don't Stop, predate the Tusk Tour.

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Looking at the liner notes, it's noted that there was additional guitar, percussion and keyboards by Ray Lindsey, Tony Todaro and Jeffery Sova, respectively. Ray Lindsey is familiar only because he appeared on stage to provide acoustic guitar for 'Go Your Own Way." Not sure what other songs he or the others play on.

Ray also used to play on Second Hand News & Gypsy. Todaro only played on Tusk from behind a partially opaque backdrup, & Sova stayed backstage & played the brass arrangement on Tusk, as well as some pad on Hold Me on the 1982 tour. All three of those guys were used minimally at best -- a far cry from the backup guys in 1997, who were part of the band, & thus present throughout the entire concert.

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I think they may have "sweetened" things up in the studio. "Not That Funny" seems to have more than just Mick drumming. Yet, on the bootleg of that particular performance, I don't hear that extra percussion, and the song is edited.

I think there's a fair amount of stuff -- both vocal & instrumental -- that's studio-added. But in general that album is really pretty basic. The members of the band even said back then that they didn't spend much time on overdubs; they just didn't sink much time into that album, & the selection of tapes that tracks were lifted from bears that out. We always complain about there having been "better versions" of things, but that practically prooves Fleetwood Mac didn't spend much time listening to many tapes.

amber · #32 02-26-2005, 12:20 AM

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I don't know... maybe in dissention's early days it would have had more impact.

These days, his pithy comments ring hollow... they seem plodding and careless to me.
I think he just types the first thing that comes into his head and clicks Send. There's no self-editing or refining.

Oh well... what can ya do?!

Was that a play on how Diss always talks about Stevie? If so, it was hilarious!

Cour · #33 02-26-2005, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

I think the only video released from 'Live In Boston' was "Landslide." Though "Stand Back" was up for download on several websites.

I'm not sure that there was an "official" single though (ie: for radio play).

Didn't they play either Stand Back and/or SHN on VH Classics? I think they've even been playing it in the last month or two.

I don't think they were a 'single' per se. Perhaps if they had spent more than 2 seconds thinking of the "safe" songs to release and took a chance with SG and BC, it could have been picked up by, or put on rotation or top 20 on the regular VH1 channel. I'm not saying anything miraculous would have happened like The Dance, times and economics are different, but the same old dumb songs were a waste. Many fans who loved The Dance didn't even know LIB existed.

Johnny Stew · #34 02-26-2005, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by amber

Was that a play on how Diss always talks about Stevie? If so, it was hilarious!

Yes'm!

And thank you, kind lady.

Johnny Stew · #35 02-26-2005, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Cour

Didn't they play either Stand Back and/or SHN on VH Classics? I think they've even been playing it in the last month or two.

I don't think they were a 'single' per se. Perhaps if they had spent more than 2 seconds thinking of the "safe" songs to release and took a chance with SG and BC, it could have been picked up by, or put on rotation or top 20 on the regular VH1 channel. I'm not saying anything miraculous would have happened like The Dance, times and economics are different, but the same old dumb songs were a waste. Many fans who loved The Dance didn't even know LIB existed.

Oops... I forgot that a lot of people saw "Stand Back" on VH1-Classic (and one of Lindsey's songs, but, like you, I'm drawing a blank on exactly which).
I only get standard VH1, and they only played "Landslide."

They definitely missed the boat when they serviced "Landslide."
It was a nice enough rendition, but it wasn't going to match the 'Dance' version for emotionality or resonance. And given that the 'Dance' wasn't all that long ago, it seemed redundant to release it again.

Cour · #36 02-26-2005, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

Oops... I forgot that a lot of people saw "Stand Back" on VH1-Classic (and one of Lindsey's songs, but, like you, I'm drawing a blank on exactly which).
I only get standard VH1, and they only played "Landslide."

They definitely missed the boat when they serviced "Landslide."
It was a nice enough rendition, but it wasn't going to match the 'Dance' version for emotionality or resonance. And given that the 'Dance' wasn't all that long ago, it seemed redundant to release it again.

I think the other song was SHN.

I totally forgot they even released LIB Landslide. It didn't hold a candle to the Dance version and with the amount of airplay the original and DC's version received it was a stupid safe release.

BC could have been LIB's Landslide.

DUMB DUMB DUMB

Cour · #37 02-26-2005, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by amber

Was that a play on how Diss always talks about Stevie? If so, it was hilarious!

thanks, Amber. That totally went over my head. I just thought the original comment was very funny

**jbrownsjr** · #38 02-26-2005, 03:58 AM

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Originally Posted by PenguinHead

A ramble...

In comparing their two official live albums (excluding the Boston DVD/CD), I feel that the 1980 album is often overlooked by many people, and overshadowed by The Dance, especially for newer fans.

For me, the Live album really embodies the true essence of their peak live performances. Unlike The Dance -- with its numerous side musicians and compressed, steril and safe sound -- the Live album is just the five of them and the overall mix is very airy and organic. Granted --there appears to be some studio tinkering and vocal overdubs -- but generally it's the band -- the "five firelies" at their gritty best. I recall at the time of its release, Christine was quoted "it's a warts and all album."

As excited I was at the time of its release, however, I was slightly disappointed...only because I knew there were other more blistering performances (and song selection) that could have been included that would have made the album even better. Still we get some incredible songs/performances:

Oh Well
Fireflies
Farmer's Daughter
One More Night
Don't Let Me Down Again
Over and Over

In my newfound "re-appreciation" for the Live album, I wonder how other fans feel about these two albums. I wish we'll someday get a live album from their 1975-77 era. Would love to have an official release of some of their rare performances, like:

Frozen Love
Tell Me All The Things You Do
Sunny Side Of Heaven
Get Like You Used To Be
Hypnotized
Believe Me
Spare Me A Little
Why
Green Manalishi
Crystal (Did they really perform this?? There's no evidence of it other than a mention in Mick's book)

When pigs (and penguins) fly.

great post!

Kelly · #39 02-26-2005, 09:41 AM

Dissention...what was it about Sara that you hated? The only complaint I really have is the part when Lindsey comes in with "anywhere...anywhere..anywhere...I would go anywhere...". He sounded like he was screaming into the mic and he did it at every show. I enjoyed the song alot mainly because Stevie actually seemed happy when she was singing it. She smiled and I have always thought she looked stunning in red. It was a nice, refreshing change.

As for Red Rover, I liked it. I liked it much more live, than I did on the album. It was quite amusing watching Stevie mouth all the words.......

Say Goodbye was a gem that the band did not capitalize on. They habitually make bad decisions like that. Not realzing the potential of that song is typical for them. After the success of the Dance...with the emotional punch of Landslide and Silver Springs..it is sort of mind boggling that they did not pursue the Say Goodbye/Stevie and Lindsey interaction angle. Perhaps Lindsey did not want to? Beautiful Child is another one of those wasted opportunities...a live video of that song would have been a much better choice than another Landslide video. Doesn't the label make these type of choices though? I remember reading about Peacekeeper and how WB wanted that to be the first single.
So maybe most of the blame falls on them and not the band?

dissention · #40 02-26-2005, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Kelly

Dissention...what was it about Sara that you hated? The only complaint I really have is the part when Lindsey comes in with "anywhere...anywhere..anywhere...I would go anywhere...". He sounded like he was screaming into the mic and he did it at every show. I enjoyed the song alot mainly because Stevie actually seemed happy when she was singing it. She smiled and I have always thought she looked stunning in red. It was a nice, refreshing change.

I thought she sounded awful on it for one, her current voice does not suit the song at all. I also don't think she was very into it, it came across more like a chore than something she enjoyed performing. Musically, it sounded rather flat to me. It just went on and on and on and on. I just didn't like it at all and I love it live.

ontheEdgeof17 · #41 02-26-2005, 10:25 AM

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I thought she sounded awful on it for one, her current voice does not suit the song at all. I also don't think she was very into it, it came across more like a chore than something she enjoyed performing. Musically, it sounded rather flat to me. It just went on and on and on and on. I just didn't like it at all and I love it live.

I wonder if it was a "I wanna do Sara live again" or a "You will perform Sara on this leg"?

Personally, I thought it was a gem. I'm very glad that I got to hear it live in my lifetime. It is such a classic FM song. Now if they would whip out some more stuff out of the vault......

GeminiCusp82 · #42 02-26-2005, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by ontheEdgeof17

I wonder if it was a "I wanna do Sara live again" or a "You will perform Sara on this leg"?

Personally, I thought it was a gem. I'm very glad that I got to hear it live in my lifetime. It is such a classic FM song. Now if they would whip out some more stuff out of the vault......

Sisters Of the Moon definately..I did get tired of Gypsy lol...Seven Wonders would be nice but I must be dreaming because that would never happen...On the Destiny Rules Doc if you zoom in on the pieces of paper they have on the post it board during the rehearsals you see that there is a paper saying Storms. I wonder how long it took for them to dismiss that one from the set? I think that would have sounded awesome live. Even Angel would be nice. Thrown Down...who knows what else they could do if they tour again. I didnt get to go to a 2nd leg concert but I managed to get quite a few bootlegs from 04 and I do love Sara but it seems toward the end of the tour she was kind of straining more and more each night to hit those last notes...It is amazing to me because you hear some bootlegs of the 2003 stuff and Silver Springs sounds strained (LIB)..but then some others she sounds wonderful almost like she did on The Dance. What is up with that...lol

gldstwmn · #43 02-26-2005, 01:32 PM

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It's a shame they couldn't see the potential of Say Goodbye and Beautiful Child from Live in Boston.
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IMO, the live version of Say Goodbye is far better than the studio version, kudos to Leo Kottke aside. I don't understand why SG and BC were left off the audio disc.