Kiln House era live CD w/Chris

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by aleuzzi

I know! I so wanted her to be in tune. But her "oohs" and "ahhs" on "Jewel Eyed Judy," for instance, are painful. She's my favorite singer in rock music. To hear her suffering like a dying whale was difficult. The rest of the cd makes up for it, though.

I don't know how good their monitors on stage were in those days, if even EXISTENT. I've talked with older players, who've told me you didn't HAVE monitors back then. So who knows? If you've ever tried to sing above the din of a loud band, and tried to hear pitch without monitors, it's very easy to get off(pitch, that is! ).
That might explain our Queen being off.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

I don't know how good their monitors on stage were in those days, if even EXISTENT. I've talked with older players, who've told me you didn't HAVE monitors back then. So who knows? If you've ever tried to sing above the din of a loud band, and tried to hear pitch without monitors, it's very easy to get off(pitch, that is! ).
That might explain our Queen being off.

Oh ok...a logical explination...whew!

[chiliD]

"Monitors"? What are "monitors"?

It wouldn't matter if they HAD them back then, 90% of the time, they weren't loud enough to hear over the stacks of amps anyway...and if the sound engineer turned up the monitor system, it would feedback like a m*****f**ker...just rip yo' head right off.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by chiliD

"Monitors"? What are "monitors"?

It wouldn't matter if they HAD them back then, 90% of the time, they weren't loud enough to hear over the stacks of amps anyway...and if the sound engineer turned up the monitor system, it would feedback like a m*****f**ker...just rip yo' head right off.

Monitors? That's my JOB! Seriously. With a good EQ, you can get them louder than F*CK now! Deafening....

[David]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

Monitors? That's my JOB! Seriously. With a good EQ, you can get them louder than F*CK now! Deafening....

It's fun comparing monitor preferences.

When I play with Mirage, I want my floor monitor to carry only:

1. My own signals, nice & loud.
2. All vocals.

I have to set up adjacent to the drummer because I play to his kick drum, & I need to see him start, fill & end. People have always told me I have a really good, steady meter, & that's probably from playing to the bass drum.

I don't know & I don't care what the bass is doing, what the rhythm guitar is doing or what the lead guitar is doing (insofar as a monitor signal for me). They can take care of themselves!

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by David

It's fun comparing monitor preferences.
When I play with Mirage, I want my floor monitor to carry only:

1. My own signals, nice & loud.
2. All vocals.

I have to set up adjacent to the drummer because I play to his kick drum, & I need to see him start, fill & end. People have always told me I have a really good, steady meter, & that's probably from playing to the bass drum.

I don't know & I don't care what the bass is doing, what the rhythm guitar is doing or what the lead guitar is doing (insofar as a monitor signal for me). They can take care of themselves!

I want my keys LOUD(louder than they should be, but the stage sounds empty to me if they're not), and only my vocal, and my acoustic guitar). Only IF we're on a big stage will I add the other guitar player's guitar and vocal.....and occasionally snare.
I agree with cueing off the drummer. To hell with the bass player. If you wanna lock, you go to the source!!!(I have a kickass drummer! Feel, out the ying-yang).

[macfan 57]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

I don't know how good their monitors on stage were in those days, if even EXISTENT. I've talked with older players, who've told me you didn't HAVE monitors back then. So who knows? If you've ever tried to sing above the din of a loud band, and tried to hear pitch without monitors, it's very easy to get off(pitch, that is! ).
That might explain our Queen being off.

On one of the old bootlegs that I have, she can be heard complaining about the monitors, either 1971 San Bernardino or 1972 Seattle. She's a bit out of tune on the San Bernardino boot too. Several times she asked where the monitors are. She sounded pretty annoyed. So that may have been a problem back in those days.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Originally Posted by macfan 57

On one of the old bootlegs that I have, she can be heard complaining about the monitors, either 1971 San Bernardino or 1972 Seattle. She's a bit out of tune on the San Bernardino boot too. Several times she asked where the monitors are. She sounded pretty annoyed. So that may have been a problem back in those days.

hmmm... that is interesting. Where were those monitors? lol

[aleuzzi]

I heard the 72 bootleg and she is in much better form there. But even then her singing voice is not as stellar as it usually is. Ironically, Welch came off pretty good on that date. Kirwin is barely audible above the crunching guitars.

One of the more amusing moments on that bootleg is after a brief but loud microphone hissing: Welch and McVie complain loudly, and then Welch says "I thought the lord walked in the room and that was the sound of his voice."

[macfan 57]

Keep in mind. You can't compare the Christine McVie from the very early 1970's to later on. She got ALOT better as time went on. She would admit that herself. If you listen to the Sausalito & Hempstead boots from 1974, she is even better. I think she sounds wonderful on those 2 boots. She also mentioned in a 1984 magazine interview that she used to have a lot of trouble staying in tune when singing harmony.

[chiliD]

Originally Posted by aleuzzi

Kirwin is barely audible above the crunching guitars.

Sorry, pet peeve...it is:

K-I-R-W-A-N

(Just like there's no "A" in Lindsey)

[aleuzzi]

Originally Posted by chiliD

Sorry, pet peeve...it is:

K-I-R-W-A-N

(Just like there's no "A" in Lindsey)

I'll never remember how to spell all these names, even when I know I'm misspelling them.

[ThePenguin]

Originally Posted by aleuzzi

One of the more amusing moments on that bootleg is after a brief but loud microphone hissing: Welch and McVie complain loudly, and then Welch says "I thought the lord walked in the room and that was the sound of his voice."

That just cracked me up. Leave it to Bob, he's quick w/ the wit.

-Lis

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by ThePenguin

That just cracked me up. Leave it to Bob, he's quick w/ the wit.

-Lis

He certainly IS. And he's just like a regular Joe. He posts and answers all the time on his own site! He DESERVES to be in the R&RHofF....as much as anybody!

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

He certainly IS. And he's just like a regular Joe. He posts and answers all the time on his own site! He DESERVES to be in the R&RHofF....as much as anybody!

WHY OH WHY did they not include him...almost every other memeber of FM was included that was there for a valid amount of time...why not him?

Did they give a reason?