"I've come to make you better, I've come to take you away"

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by dissention

. . If he was openly gay, though, he still would have been a ****ty governor.

LOL - that of course would depend on his relationship with his mother

[dissention]

Originally Posted by sparky

I don't disagree. But I just don't think it had taken hold in a way that would influence the decisions made by the urban living sophisticates of the time. They had ditched their hometowns and bolted for the culture and fast pace of the cities. That wave of neo-con barbarism rose up fast in the bible belt and rural areas, but then again, it was never far below the surface in those places anyway.

Oh, I don't think that it affected the urban areas, either. I just think that while people like Cohn didn't consider themselves "gay" because of their own miserable failings as human beings and their own disdainful views of homosexuals, societal views still had at least a little to do with their not coming-out or openly procliaming themselves gay. I think it's a combination of fear of scorn AND their own bigotry.

Originally Posted by sparky

I hope that piece of art is a close up of a flower or something and doesn't involve an African American man in a suit.

Trust me, there are no fisting photos on my walls.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

LOL -that reminds me - I have to confess, I think Mapplethorpe's work was contrived But, everyone's a critic

I like most of it (love some of it ), but it were his arguments about his bondage photos showing "humanity" that I found contrived. They show humanity in the respect that they showcase human sexuality, but not much else. Some of the photos were outstanding because they didn't shy away from showing things that people found sickening and because they showed that sex was sex and that it could be cold and aloof, yet still satisfying. But other ones were just shocking to be shocking, something he would never admit to.

[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by diamondsnake

I just got Touched By an Angel and this song is so haunting and sad. Is it just me or is Stevie not human? I seriously think she has some power over people. That one line "I have come to make you better, I have come to take you away" gives me chills. It is actually a song that makes you feel okay about knowing that you're going to die one day. For me anyways it is like Stevie is an angel that died several years ago and is bringing her lover up to heaven when he dies. I don't know what I am talking about- I just love this song and would love to get everyone's thoughts on it.

I'm going to have to pull this out tonite and listen again. I agree that Stevie has an otherworldly quality, this is why we love her so much! She believes in angels and all of that so she is able to "channel" that energy and it is startling at times. Someone on these boards posted about an older man leaving a concert and saying, "What the hell just happened?", I think that about sums it up.

[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by dissention

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Trust me, there are no fisting photos on my walls.

New low Diss, new low.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by dissention

I like most of it (love some of it ), but it were his arguments about his bondage photos showing "humanity" that I found contrived. They show humanity in the respect that they showcase human sexuality, but not much else. Some of the photos were outstanding because they didn't shy away from showing things that people found sickening and because they showed that sex was sex and that it could be cold and aloof, yet still satisfying. But other ones were just shocking to be shocking, something he would never admit to.

I agree. I guess it is just that I am not a real fan of photography. I like a good picture and there are some good ones. But, his, to me, just felt like shock and awe. I will say though - he has some good things, the fisting ones not being one of them - I mean buy porn for goodness sake - granted the great shading and lighting is not there, but the effect is

[amber]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Oh - I agree - what he did was bad and he jumped on the pity me bandwagon only after he got caught. But, I am being more philosophical than literal and questioning if he would have ever done that had society "allowed" (which is a whole other discussion LOL) him to run as an openly gay person for the Gov. of Jersey. In other words, if he had not essentially HAD to have been a married family man and instead been "allowed" to be a happily partnered gay man - would he have done what he did?

It is a philosophical question I guess we will never know the answer to until someone has the ba**S to do it. And then, Barney Frank did it and still had scandal ( I think) - so who know

Well, Harvey Milk had the balls to do it as Mayor. Course, he got shot...

[dissention]

Originally Posted by amber

Well, Harvey Milk had the balls to do it as Mayor. Course, he got shot...

Milk wasn't the mayor, he was an administrator (board of supervisors). Twinkies killed him.

[amber]

Originally Posted by dissention

Milk wasn't the mayor, he was an administrator (board of supervisors). Twinkies killed him.

um....what does Twinkies killed him mean?

[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

Ah, yes, I got the "you could get AIDS and die" thing from my mother, too. And when I dated my first boyfriend, she repeatedly told me that I'd "better not be doing anything that could kill (me)."

I think part of it is being afraid for their child's well-being, and I think part of it is just plain not being informed enough about HIV/AIDS or even homosexuality in general.

Jesus, I can't believe people would say such things! Of course it isn't true but that doesn't mean it doesn't hurt. Hugs Stew and Curtis

[dissention]

Originally Posted by amber

um....what does Twinkies killed him mean?

You've never heard of the Twinkie Defense? The guy who killed him and Moscone claimed during his trial that a weeks-long binge on Twinkies and other sweet treats made him kill them. The jury bought it and found him not guilty.

[amber]

Originally Posted by dissention

You've never heard of the Twinkie Defense? The guy who killed him and Moscone claimed during his trial that a weeks-long binge on Twinkies and other sweet treats made him kill them. The jury bought it and found him not guilty.

oh, right, i didn't connect it. I've only learned that once, so it wasn't in my mind.

[amber]

Originally Posted by SuzeQuze

Jesus, I can't believe people would say such things! Of course it isn't true but that doesn't mean it doesn't hurt. Hugs Stew and Curtis

Well, but my mom says that to me, too...always has. But i guess their moms meant only cause they're gay??? I just thought everyone's mom said that

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by dissention

You've never heard of the Twinkie Defense? The guy who killed him and Moscone claimed during his trial that a weeks-long binge on Twinkies and other sweet treats made him kill them. The jury bought it and found him not guilty.

Child - it is well and I mean WELL known that California juries are plumb nuts, esp. in SFCA :laugh

[dissention]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Child - it is well and I mean WELL known that California juries are plumb nuts, esp. in SFCA

Ummm, OJ? Peterson? They're loopier than a box of Fruit Loops.

Any jury that could actually buy the Twinkie Defense should be ashamed of themselves, for they have gone through life without the slightest shred of common sense.