Colin Powell resigns

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I just said he was the voice of reason in that group of people who wanted to go to war immediately and completely by pass the U.S.

Yep. He thought it was bs too, but he couldn't break rank. Member when he had to try to sell the war plan, and he stopped in the middle, said "this is bull****", and tossed a stack of papers in disgust?
A knowledgeable political friend of mine intimated that these people leaving may smell indictments coming down the pike...

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Originally Posted by amber

Yep. He thought it was bs too, but he couldn't break rank. Member when he had to try to sell the war plan, and he stopped in the middle, said "this is bull****", and tossed a stack of papers in disgust?

Yet still went to the UN and sold it...

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by dissention

What does that say? "Including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites."



Nice try, doll, but I never suggested such a thing.

So what are you suggesting? I said Kerry supported bombing Iraq in 1998. He urged the Pres. to do so if necessary and the Pres. did just that. Kerry has never come out against that action and was still calling for Iaq to be held accountable - through military action if necessary - up until the current war. AND - he still says he would vote the same - only he now conveniently and with hindsight says we should have waited, etc. How am I wrong here. Are you agreeing with me

[amber]

Originally Posted by dissention

Yet still went to the UN and sold it...

well, but he had to. I don't like Powell or anything, but he couldn't really break rank with that, part of the job description and all.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by dissention

Yet still went to the UN and sold it...

and Kerry backed him up the whole way and he knew it was B.S. Yet, Kerry gets the pass and the votes for Pres. and CP gets flamed even when his replacement could be FAR worse than he was. That's fair

[dissention]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

So what are you suggesting?

As I've said every time we've gotten into this particular argument, I am suggesting that Kerry never jumped up and down and screamed for a war with Iraq back in '98, which is exactly what you used to state every time the topic came up.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by dissention

It isn't a matter of lowering your standards, it's a matter of changing what you can when you can. Bush is so far down the line when it comes to my standards that I'd vote for Tony Blair or Kim Jung Il before I marked the ballot for him.

Then we agree even though you are, as usual, playing with semantics so as to avoid admitting I am 100% correct laugh:

Again, my original post said that leaving CP in would be better than almost anyone W would nominate. I think that that change would be almost certainly for the worse. I mean you would rahter have Condi Rice and CP

[dissention]

Originally Posted by amber

well, but he had to. I don't like Powell or anything, but he couldn't really break rank with that, part of the job description and all.

He couldn't have resigned then? BULL****. He could have refused to lie to the global community.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

and Kerry...knew it was B.S.

Show me proof, I submit you cannot.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by dissention

As I've said every time we've gotten into this particular argument, I am suggesting that Kerry never jumped up and down and screamed for a war with Iraq back in '98, which is exactly what you used to state every time the topic came up.

Boy, Kerry sure was so vocal in his opposition to it. Phew, I can remember having to lower the volume on my t.v. set in accordance

Again, if you think Kerry did not advocated it, then you are mistaken and completely unsupported by the facts. But, in all fairness, if you have some quotes where Kerry disagreed with Clinton deeming it necessary to use force, which Kerry clearly advocated Clinton do, then let's see them - I think I'll be waiting a long long time for those to appear

[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by dissention

He couldn't have resigned then? BULL****. He could have refused to lie to the global community.

For real, people need to stand by principles like integrity no matter what. I don't think there's an excuse for lying like that given the global consequences of such a lie. What would be the worst that could happen, he would be fired? I'm sure he would have survived that just fine.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Again, my original post said that leaving CP in would be better than almost anyone W would nominate. I think that that change would be almost certainly for the worse. I mean you would rahter have Condi Rice and CP

How absurd. It doesn't matter who is enlisted for the job, they will still lie when told to. They will still sell a faulty bill of goods. But you don't seem to get that, so... It doesn't matter if it's Minute Rice or Colon Polyp, they're both liars. The only difference is that Minute Rice swore under oath that she didn't know what her job duties were as National Security Advisor.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by dissention

Show me proof, I submit you cannot.

You knew the meal rods were unsuitable for nuclear stuff. You knew that SH did not have WMD. All of this was prior to the vote authorzing W to go to war. Thus, the information was out there. I guess Kerry never read it

[dissention]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Boy, Kerry sure was so vocal in his opposition to it. Phew, I can remember having to lower the volume on my t.v. set in accordance

Again, if you think Kerry did not advocated it, then you are mistaken and completely unsupported by the facts. But, in all fairness, if you have some quotes where Kerry disagreed with Clinton deeming it necessary to use force, which Kerry clearly advocated Clinton do, then let's see them - I think I'll be waiting a long long time for those to appear

Kerry never advocated war with Iraq in 1998. Them are the facts, learn them.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by dissention

How absurd. It doesn't matter who is enlisted for the job, they will still lie when told to. They will still sell a faulty bill of goods. But you don't seem to get that, so... It doesn't matter if it's Minute Rice or Colon Polyp, they're both liars. The only difference is that Minute Rice swore under oath that she didn't know what her job duties were as National Security Advisor.

But that is my point. Kerry was just as bad IMO. Yet, I voted for him.

Once again, we are down to the R's can never ever under any circumstances be given any credit for anything and they are morally below the D's even when the D's do essentially the same thing. Yawn