Fleetwood Mac & Mick Fleetwood sales figures

[David]

Originally Posted by Sorcerer386

Maybe when they're 90 and can barely move will they have to play clubs, but their still good enough live to do the arenas.

Which is unfortunate for all those thousands of fans who find $100 or more for a ticket to be a financial strain.

Remember, their loss is our gain; & their gain is our loss. But that's the marketplace.

[David]

Originally Posted by Les

Some would argue that the intimate setting of a club makes for a better musical show and a more intimate and fun fan experience.

I kind of feel that way now, considering how tired I am of the big-time rock concert scene in all those vast halls. But I may just be a crank!

[David]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

No, it definitely doesn't connote poor performances, and, yes, it definitely does allow for a more intimate experience... but, then, it's also not exactly feasible when you have about ten thousand people, on average, attending your shows.

Precisely my point. That's a band/business consideration, not a consideration of how enjoyable it is for me, the fan/consumer, or an indication of my pleasure at paying $100+ for tickets & in general supporting the "big rock act" status of Fleetwood Mac.

Look, JS, Fleetwood Mac will do whatever it wants to do, & we're either along for the ride or not. In my own case, it doesn't matter any more. For others, it may be something worth the wringing of hands & the gnashing of teeth.

The dates on a Fleetwood Mac club tour would probably sell-out in a matter of minutes, and unless they did five shows in each city, then about 9 thousand+ fans would miss out on the opportunity to see them.

Yeah! You've got the idea now!

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by David

Precisely my point. That's a band/business consideration, not a consideration of how enjoyable it is for me, the fan/consumer, or an indication of my pleasure at paying $100+ for tickets & in general supporting the "big rock act" status of Fleetwood Mac.

Trust me, David, I'm right there with you in thinking the ticket prices have gotten out of hand.
Even if I could have attended a date on the most recent tour, I never would have been able to afford it.
And I'm sure there are not just a few others in similar financial situations to mine.

I'm just not all that wild about the idea of a club tour for Fleetwood Mac. Which has nothing to do with thinking they're above it, or that it would be slumming... and everything to do with the fact that I just think a lot of people would miss out.

[MirrorInTheSky]

I guess I'm one of those people who are in the middle. I didn't fly across country to see this band, however, they came through Texas several times during the entire tour. I live in Austin, so I saw them in Dallas, San Antonio, Dallas, and Houston, resepctively. I'm one of those fans who doesn't mind traveling around the state to see them. However, I'm not in a position to 'take to the sky' enough to catch them in other states. Were my fanancial situation a little more improved, then I may consider a flight or two to see them perfrom. It really is a function of economics plus a lot of loyalty that sets consumer behavorial actions.

[rianbay1]

According to Billboard, video longform sales of 50,000 units earn a Gold RIAA certification and 100,000 units earn a platinum. Anyone know if "Live in Boston" has been certified gold yet since it has sold 50,000 units?

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by amber

oh, hush, Mr. No Votey. What was i supposed to do? be all "no, i'm sorry, i can't accept this thoughtful gift, it was dl'd"? ok, how bout this - you send me $15, and i'll buy Say You Will with it... Deal?

How about this - if someone ever steals anything you are selling - I hope you are as willing to accept that lame ass excuse and not prosecute them. That you cannot afford $15.00 is complete and utter bullshi& and you damn well know it

[MacMan]

According to Billboard, video longform sales of 50,000 units earn a Gold RIAA certification and 100,000 units earn a platinum. Anyone know if "Live in Boston" has been certified gold yet since it has sold 50,000 units?

Good point... And you are right... I suspect the next time WB pays to have their sales figures audited, we'll see a gold certification for LIB... Cool!!

[rianbay1]

My other question would be, since it is a DOUBLE dvd (and at $30.00 a pop, priced that way), does it get counted like double album sales in that each unit sold counts as 2? That would make it Platinum

[wondergirl9847]

I heard Something Big on Music Choice the other day. I couldn't believe it! I love MC, because they play stuff you would NEVER hear on the radio. I heard Bare Trees once too.

[amber]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

How about this - if someone ever steals anything you are selling - I hope you are as willing to accept that lame ass excuse and not prosecute them. That you cannot afford $15.00 is complete and utter bullshi& and you damn well know it

no, maybe when YOU can't afford $15 it's bull****. sometimes, i have less than $10 a week for food. I know it's hard to think about, when you make a lot of money, but try. I make $250 a week, and my rent is $650.
however...
could i have refused it? yes. was i stoked that someone got it for me? yes. would i have had to wait to get it, at the time? yes.
could i resist listening to it? no.
you know, of course you're right, in a way, but...I don't get stolen things as a rule...do i feel bad by "stealing" a cd from...
multimillionare's Stevie and Lindsey, et al?
a bit, of course, but, i bet they'd rather have me hear it, than not.
After all, they're consummate musicians. they really do,
want poeple to hear,
I think.
Especially with what i spent going to thier concerts.
have you ever read "Hustling, and other Hard Times"?
anyway, look...
I appreciate upper middle class liberal democrats as much as anyone. They are the ones with the time and money to get things done. because money does rule the world...i would gladly be one of you, if..

I was poor growing up, and am poor now. it's a harder cycle to break than people who have never been poor realize. Money really is a whole different Culture...
Yes, people do break it, but for most people raised in it, it is harder than it seems, and takes an incredible amount of will.
So, next time, send me some of that "i just got a massage (muh sahj) ", or "i stay in the best hotels" or "i just bought a $250 pair of shoes" or "I buy my pets"
money,
and i'll be happy to buy the CD.
Not that you should actually send me the money, or that you haven't earned your money...not at all...
but never presume that something is "easy" for someone, when you haven't walked in their shoes.
Try to think about that, before you judge my CD sharing...which was a gift that i didn't even ask for.
And for the record, i do plan on buying Say You Will, eventually.
And, P.S., there are a lot of psychological factors that come into play in families of people that have been poor for generations...which may take extra help to overcome...sure, there are those who can overcome...the few and far between.
but for the rest of us...who may not have had help with psychological barriers, but who are still trying their darndest, to the best of our ability...
I mean, you haven't been able to quit smoking, right? try to think of it like that...
Gaw, for someone to call me out like that, for being Poor...
really chaps my hide in a prime-evil way...it's like Republicans saying "pull yourself up by your bootstraps!"
When i have no bootstraps... *




*yeah, as in, HEY , over here, from the other side of the money...

[MacMan]

The point was that your comment is insulting to somebody who has recently but reluctantly resorted to accpeting donations so as to keep from going hungry.

Insulting, yes... But if you are hungry, how can you justify having a computer and an internet connection?... Sell your computer and cut off your internet connection - that's got to cost a few bucks a month!! Priorities......

[MacMan]

Sorry bout that, should have been more clear... I was responding to Ambers situation, not yours. If she's hungry, or has no cash for food, then she probably shouldn't have a computer especially with an internet connection.

[Kelly]

I don't really see how Jason was knocking being poor, he was knocking downloading a new album. To me it doesn't matter if the band are millionaires, that does not justify getting it for free, however you go about that. I understand being poor, I am not living paycheck to paycheck but I also am not floating in extra cash. Buying extras for myself is usually put on the back burner in order to pay bills, buy stuff for the kids, taking care of the house etc. I even had to take on a second job waitressing to pay for all the front row tickets I wanted this tour and to compensate for the days I had to take off from work to see them 12 or 13 times.
The subject of downloading new or commercially available material is a sticky one and I look at it like this. I love this band and i want to support them, not necessarily financially persay, but with their sales figures etc. I know they all have money, that is not the point for me, I want all their hard work and emotional investment in their album to be acknowledged. Unfortunately the only way they can really gage how people feel about their new album is by the sales figures and possibly the reviews. I am not knocking you Amber, I understand what you are saying. I know what its like, believe me and I hope you understand I am not directing my post at only you. I just know that thousands of people could really say the same thing, " I don't have the money so I will download it", myself included. I can see how that could lead to a drop in sales and that is not supporting the band, IMO.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by Lux

Jason, this really is insulting. You don't know what poor is. Neither did I. Growing up middle class with parents who own a couple properties, a mother who just pissed off to Paris and Egypt (and Iceland too which had me puzzled), I thought poor was takinga while to pay off debts and not going out to restaurants. As I sit here (on somebody elses net connection) hungry because I actually cannot buy food and having to contemplate homelessness, I find that statement so insulting. It's not bull****e and she might know more about her situation than you do.

I also had a download of SYW but then bought it. Downloading is not stealing by the way. Stealing is the removal of a copy, eliminating the potential of its sale. Downloading is not removing it but making a replica. Anyway, that's another debate. I can currently download the occasional song which seems like a good option when I can't afford to eat. I don't give a f*ck if Stevie Nicks doesn't get the extra dollar. I don't give a f*ck if Lindsey doesn't get it, and you all know how highly I think of him. The point was that your comment is insulting to somebody who has recently but reluctantly resorted to accpeting donations so as to keep from going hungry.

So what happened to our marriage? That would solve everything. We could buy multiple copies of SYW. You could fly us both halfway, we could even meet my mother in London for Christmas. Ah yes, so romantic. And with that fantasy in mind, I'm about to go and eat a piece of week old bread for dinner.

First of all, how the hell do you know what I know or have experienced? For your information Miss know it all, I have flown halfway across the world more than once to do charity work for people who live in mud huts. I have brought them school supplies, medicines, etc. So, please do not hand me your opinion of what you erroneously think I know.

Next - Amber has often talked about little items that she clearly could have done without for two months or even a few weeks to get this record. But she did not. Instead, she chose to get it for free with little care or regard for whom it could hurt however so slightly. While clearly FM and Warner's can afford this, that does not make it right. The record industry loses millions a year because of theft (and that is what this is) and people therefore lose jobs. But, if you or anyone else is okay with that - so be it, but I think it is utter bullsh*& to call it anything but stealing

Again, I do not think any of us would feel the same way if someone stole from us. But and alas, there is the hypocrisy of man.

P.S. I still adore you