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[The Tower]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

It does make, to quote Carne, dubious associations to wit - so what if the Saudis got put on a plane and taken out of the US?

I think that's a pretty big deal. I wouldn't consider the idea of letting a whole bunch of people who could possibly have information related to 9/11 leave the country a "so what".

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

MM IMO is trying to use that to link the govt.'s actions with supporting OBL on the day we got attacked.

I didn't see that at all. Moore was trying to get people to open up their eyes as to why Dubya ditched the idea of really going after Osama vs. invading Iraq.

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Those people had nothing to do with OBL and his attack.

I don't think there was enough investigation to be able to make this statement. If you consider the fact that the gov't has been detaining suspicious people for almost two years without outside contact, I find it a little disturbing that all those Saudis were able to leave after only two days!

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

He knows that the use of the SA name and the bin Laden (there are hundreds in that immedicate family) will cause people to somehow in their heads think W aided OBL. Intererstingly, W did this same technique with linking OBL with Iraq.

If Moore wants to arouse some kind of suspicion with regard to the Bushes connection to Saudis, that is food for debate. Dubya's lies in connecting Al Qaeda to Iraq has resulted in the death of thousands and the ruin of the American worldview.

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Also, how many parents who are proud that their children served and died in Iraq did MM show. Certainly they exist.

I don't think that showing "proud" American parents would have done anything to alter the plight of the parent Moore showcased. I doubt there are any parents that would be proud that their children died for any reason- for an unnecessary war, even more so. I think one of the most poignant parts of the movie was when Moore said that the soldiers enlisted in the military with the tacet understanding that they would have to go to war only when necessary, and now, how can we as citizens look them in the eye after this betrayal.

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Originally Posted by The Tower

I don't think that showing "proud" American parents would have done anything to alter the plight of the parent Moore showcased. I doubt there are any parents that would be proud that their children died for any reason- for an unnecessary war, even more so. I think one of the most poignant parts of the movie was when Moore said that the soldiers enlisted in the military with the tacet understanding that they would have to go to war only when necessary, and now, how can we as citizens look them in the eye after this betrayal.

Methinks Jason needs to brush up on his poetry and read "War Is Kind." Or "Dulce et Decorum Est."