U.S. soldier to plead case as objector

[strandinthewind]

That is what happens when we take the word of terrorists. But, this is yet to be a proven fact (who knows what the truth is) - nor does it obviate the significance of SH rendering medical assistance and then letting the other guy go. The latter is a link - pure and simple - the significance of which I think is rather large. I think it is the same as treating and letting OBL go. This guy was that high up in the organization that was resp. for killing thousands of innocent Americans and he was complacent in other terror acts. Yet, SH just lets him go. To me, that smacks of collusion. Why else would he go to the apparently very accomodating Iraq, which was very, very far away? Did he just wind up there by chance? That is too coincidental for me

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Did he just wind up there by chance? That is too coincidental for me

That's too coincidental for you but you don't think the Bush/Bin Laden coincidences are too much that he could be complicit in 9/11?

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

That's too coincidental for you but you don't think the Bush/Bin Laden coincidences are too much that he could be complicit in 9/11?

Well, there is a difference. This guy chose to travel through seceral countries to Iraq, a country that reportedly hated OBL and his ilk and he finds a safe haven where he gets medical attention and then is let go. They defies belief in coincidence IMO.

On the other hand, I think it would be next to impossible for the Bush family to have kept that large under wraps for all that time (almost 15 or so years) and there are just too many people involved IMO for everyone to keep quiet. But, I am not saying W and the Bush family are not in bed with the Saudi's. They are. I am just saying I do not think the facts 100% support that theory and the facts can be read in the opposite light. But, you are certainly entitled to think that I just cannot believe the Pres. of the US would allow OBL and SA to coordinate an attack on the US and do nothing about it. All for oil, which the Saudi's already have That is just too much for me to believe. Now, do I think W could have done more to stop 9/11, yes I do. But I also think Clinton could have as well and certainly he was not part of W's plot? In the end, I think OBL operates on his own but has little disturbance from the Saudi govt. Anyway, that is what I think

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Well, there is a difference. This guy chose to travel through seceral countries to Iraq, a country that reportedly hated OBL and his ilk and he finds a safe haven where he gets medical attention and then is let go. They defies belief in coincidence IMO.

It's not enough to justify war.

On the other hand, I think it would be next to impossible for the Bush family to have kept that large under wraps for all that time (almost 15 or so years) and there are just too many people involved IMO for everyone to keep quiet. But, I am not saying W and the Bush family are not in bed with the Saudi's. They are. I am just saying I do not think the facts 100% support that theory and the facts can be read in the opposite light. But, you are certainly entitled to think that I just cannot believe the Pres. of the US would allow OBL and SA to coordinate an attack on the US and do nothing about it. All for oil, which the Saudi's already have That is just too much for me to believe. Now, do I think W could have done more to stop 9/11, yes I do. But I also think Clinton could have as well and certainly he was not part of W's plot? In the end, I think OBL operates on his own but has little disturbance from the Saudi govt. Anyway, that is what I think

Well, a couple of things. Complicity could be as simple as him not reading the August 6, PDB, which I don't think he did. I haven't figured out the level of complicity yet.
When I asked who has the most to gain, you seem to think Saudi Arabia has the most to gain but they already have all the oil, so you answered your own question there. They didn't have the most to gain. Bushco did.
Also, why is Bushco seemingly uninterested in finding Bin Laden? He's stated that he "doesn't care" where Bin Laden is. What the hell is that about?

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

It's not enough to justify war.

It was more like the straw that broke the camel's back. In the end, I agree we should have waited to go into Iraq. But, that does not negate the justification for the need to do it - at least to me and the Democratic party.

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

Well, a couple of things. Complicity could be as simple as him not reading the August 6, PDB, which I don't think he did. I haven't figured out the level of complicity yet.
When I asked who has the most to gain, you seem to think Saudi Arabia has the most to gain but they already have all the oil, so you answered your own question there. They didn't have the most to gain. Bushco did.

Well, the Saudi's do have a ton of oil, but SH has been a thorn in their side for a long time in that he was against them from day one. Yet, it is widely rumored and can be somewhat supported that the Saudis would not let Bush I remove SH. So, that makes no sense other than that was 10 years ago and things changed In the end, the Saudis talk a great games, but they IMO do not do enough in their own country to help us. Having said all of that, I have no clue what the solution to all of this is

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

It was more like the straw that broke the camel's back. In the end, I agree we should have waited to go into Iraq. But, that does not negate the justification for the need to do it - at least to me and the Democratic party.

Foul. The democratic party alone does not hold the majority in the House nad Senate.

Well, the Saudi's do have a ton of oil, but SH has been a thorn in their side for a long time in that he was against them from day one. Yet, it is widely rumored and can be somewhat supported that the Saudis would not let Bush I remove SH. So, that makes no sense other than that was 10 years ago and things changed In the end, the Saudis talk a great games, but they IMO do not do enough in their own country to help us. Having said all of that, I have no clue what the solution to all of this is

Again, I don't think the Saudi's have the most to gain from this.