Buckingham/Nicks live January 1975

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by Macfan4life

"We exactly did not get people falling out of their chairs telling us how good we were before we joined Fleetwood Mac. But we were better then than we are now because we worked and practiced every day.'
Granted Stevie was projecting a bit because she was ditching recording for partying in those days. But you could sense the resentment in her voice that joining Fleetwood Mac had people falling out of their chairs telling them how good they were.

That’s not how I read it.

I took it as her way of acknowledging that they worked harder as an entity back then and were tighter than what they became after joining Fleetwood Mac. They were able to have something cohesive. Joining Fleetwood Mac might have gotten them acclaim, it hurt how they functioned as an entity. They fractured and it kept getting worse over time.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

That’s not how I read it.

I took it as her way of acknowledging that they worked harder as an entity back then and were tighter than what they became after joining Fleetwood Mac. They were able to have something cohesive. Joining Fleetwood Mac might have gotten them acclaim, it hurt how they functioned as an entity. They fractured and it kept getting worse over time.

Cocaine and a love of the big D would've kept her from that anyway.

[sue]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

Cocaine and a love of the big D would've kept her from that anyway.

Dallas ??
I didn’t know Stevie liked Dallas particularly..

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

That’s not how I read it.

I took it as her way of acknowledging that they worked harder as an entity back then and were tighter than what they became after joining Fleetwood Mac. They were able to have something cohesive. Joining Fleetwood Mac might have gotten them acclaim, it hurt how they functioned as an entity. They fractured and it kept getting worse over time.

That's how I read it, too. I think drugs, ego etc.. only fed all this.

[Macfan4life]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

That’s not how I read it.

I took it as her way of acknowledging that they worked harder as an entity back then and were tighter than what they became after joining Fleetwood Mac. They were able to have something cohesive. Joining Fleetwood Mac might have gotten them acclaim, it hurt how they functioned as an entity. They fractured and it kept getting worse over time.

We seem to say the same thing yet you say you disagree with me all the time. What you said is exactly how I took it. She definitely thought they were tighter and worked harder in those days.
If you hear the interview you can sense resentment in her voice about people suddenly falling out of their chairs at them today when they were just as good before joining Fleetwood Mac.
What are you thinking I am saying?

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by Macfan4life

We seem to say the same thing yet you say you disagree with me all the time. What you said is exactly how I took it. She definitely thought they were tighter and worked harder in those days.
If you hear the interview you can sense resentment in her voice about people suddenly falling out of their chairs at them today when they were just as good before joining Fleetwood Mac.
What are you thinking I am saying?

It read to me like you were saying Stevie thought Buckingham Nicks were better than Fleetwood Mac, whereas I read it as she thought she and Lindsey were better as an entity when they were Buckingham Nicks because they worked together every day. I’m sure Stevie resented people not falling out of their seats sooner, just as I think Mick and Christine felt vindicated for all of their years of recording and touring (John seemed to resent the “overnight success” narrative).

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

It read to me like you were saying Stevie thought Buckingham Nicks were better than Fleetwood Mac, whereas I read it as she thought she and Lindsey were better as an entity when they were Buckingham Nicks because they worked together every day. I’m sure Stevie resented people not falling out of their seats sooner, just as I think Mick and Christine felt vindicated for all of their years of recording and touring (John seemed to resent the “overnight success” narrative).

From most of the Stevie interviews I've listened to. I always felt the sentiment from her: "Thank God, we joined this band." and sort of, "we needed help." And I think LB resented that notion because, he wanted FULL control of the music direction and concept. He didn't want to deal with another singer or writer. Until, World Turning. And then I think he realized there was an opportunity for him to be in a great band.

However, I don't think he fully appreciated it until The Dance thru BuckVie era.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

From most of the Stevie interviews I've listened to. I always felt the sentiment from her: "Thank God, we joined this band." and sort of, "we needed help." And I think LB resented that notion because, he wanted FULL control of the music direction and concept. He didn't want to deal with another singer or writer. Until, World Turning. And then I think he realized there was an opportunity for him to be in a great band.

However, I don't think he fully appreciated it until The Dance thru BuckVie era.

I always got the impression he resented joining and being in Fleetwood Mac. OOTC tanking, having his 1995 album rejected, and having Rob Cavallo stuck on him by the label humbled him. However, I also think the success of The Dance surprised him and I think he realized the only way he was doing arenas was with Fleetwood Mac.

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

I always got the impression he resented joining and being in Fleetwood Mac. OOTC tanking, having his 1995 album rejected, and having Rob Cavallo stuck on him by the label humbled him. However, I also think the success of The Dance surprised him and I think he realized the only way he was doing arenas was with Fleetwood Mac.

Yea.... ^^ that too. He was going with FM because when the teat is that large, everybody gets in line. But, by Mirage, he was so completely over FM. And over Stevie's antics and addictions. I think he does now realize what the Brits did for him.

[aleuzzi]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

I think he does now realize what the Brits did for him.

Certainly, in interviews, he honors Mick and the bond that formed between them. I’m thinking of that interview he did with Nile Rogers which was all about how he and Mick had a special musical connection. That he has enlisted Mick many times for his solo projects confirms this.

He knows John and Christine’s worth, too, but has often underplayed what each of them brought to the table. Even when he has spoken of the “magical” connection between him and Christine, he still has not given get her full due for the success of Mirage and Tango. He admires her “commitment to craft” but almost never speaks of her singing voice, never talks about her keyboard skills, and doesn’t credit her attention to studio arrangements. She was “always at the boards” with him when recording albums. He taught her a lot, but she certainly taught him, too.

[Villavic]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

However, I also think the success of The Dance surprised him and I think he realized the only way he was doing arenas was with Fleetwood Mac.

I don't think he realized it since The Dance. Fleetwood Mac filled arenas without him during Tango tour. And rejoining the band was more than certain that they would fill stadiums again, and if it weren't for Christine the tour would have been longer and worldwide. The 90s was the reunions decade, with Eagles and other bands precedents, there was no surprise.

[Macfan4life]

Originally Posted by Villavic

I don't think he realized it since The Dance. Fleetwood Mac filled arenas without him during Tango tour. And rejoining the band was more than certain that they would fill stadiums again, and if it weren't for Christine the tour would have been longer and worldwide. The 90s was the reunions decade, with Eagles and other bands precedents, there was no surprise.

The Tango tour was based on Lindsey's album and produced hit singles with videos of him in them. The album was successful and yes the tour was successful. The next album without Lindsey was not successful and the tour did not pack them in like the Tango tour. I saw basically a sold out show in Pittsburgh in 1987 but the Farewell tour in 1990 had about only 2/3 full of the same arena. At the time I felt it being a sad farewell attendance for a supergroup. Stevie's OTSOTM tour one year earlier in the same arena had far more in attendance.

[David]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

I always got the impression he resented joining and being in Fleetwood Mac.

There was a brief window of time while they were recording Tusk when he was enthusiastic about the band’s future because he assumed the rest of them were gladly following him into new territory and aligned with his musical aspirations. Mick, particularly, filled him with hope about the kind of band Lindsey wanted Mac to be. But Lindsey wasn’t reading the room accurately. Far from wanting to take Mac down a new path, the others were only sitting back after a commercial blockbuster and letting Lindsey unfold his wings. But they were doing so only half-heartedly — or quarter-heartedly. The two McVies were pretty clear about not loving some of the music they were recording, Nicks didn’t have much authority in the band dynamic, and nutty Fleetwood was only having a little fun with Buckingham for a spell, like kids at recess.

In 1978, Buckingham believed he was in a band of edgy artistic allies. It was a failure of intelligence on his part, and the truth hit him probably even before the tour was over, as the backlash set in (probably from label executives even before the members said anything).

This is why his talk about legacy this past decade is so out of character for him. It’s not that I don’t believe him, but it’s definitely an about-face from his attitude about the band for forty years. He had some bizarro awakening about how good the band really was.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by Villavic

I don't think he realized it since The Dance. Fleetwood Mac filled arenas without him during Tango tour. And rejoining the band was more than certain that they would fill stadiums again, and if it weren't for Christine the tour would have been longer and worldwide. The 90s was the reunions decade, with Eagles and other bands precedents, there was no surprise.

I was talking about it from Lindsey’s end. He’d never toured solo prior to 1993 and I think he was shocked by how little demand there was for him as a solo artist. Fast forward to 1997, and he’s playing arenas again in one of the biggest bands in the world. I think that’s something he took for granted.

Fleetwood Mac was fine without him so long as Stevie was in the band. BTM might not have been successful by Rumours-era Fleetwood Mac standards, but it was still a pretty successful album, and they were still an arena band.

Originally Posted by David

This is why his talk about legacy this past decade is so out of character for him. It’s not that I don’t believe him, but it’s definitely an about-face from his attitude about the band for forty years. He had some bizarro awakening about how good the band really was.

Wild theory, but maybe it had something to do with revisiting all of that material for the deluxe edition reissues.

[Macfan4life]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

It read to me like you were saying Stevie thought Buckingham Nicks were better than Fleetwood Mac, whereas I read it as she thought she and Lindsey were better as an entity when they were Buckingham Nicks because they worked together every day. I’m sure Stevie resented people not falling out of their seats sooner, just as I think Mick and Christine felt vindicated for all of their years of recording and touring (John seemed to resent the “overnight success” narrative).

Yes exactly. However you realize there is a very, very fine line in distinguishing what you are saying. Yes she definitely thinks they were better then because they practiced every day. But when you practice every day, does it not make you better? I am not trying to be devil's advocate but its just the reality of the statement. I dont know if you heard the clip before but her tone was a tad angry circling back to what the interviewer commented on that her voice was so unique. She uses the Rolling Stone article to go on the attack about that as if saying ....yes everyone says my voice is unique today and we sell millions of records but my voice was unique then and we worked harder why were we not acknowledged? Its not an attack on Fleetwood Mac. Its her going after the doubters of Buckingham Nicks and the reviews of her first Fleetwood Mac album. She's not saying she is not thankful for being in Fleetwood Mac. She is going after her critics who now are praising her. I think the confusion between us is the context of her statements. Have you heard the interview? She always sounded angry in it. Its where she also says she says she does not want to get old and tour too much. She says rock n roll people in their 40s look like their 50s and 60s and she does not want that to happen to her. Then she says no matter how much you drink or dont drink, its really hard to get through those long Fleetwood Mac tours.
This was also the era of her being the "baby sister" in interviews. She's projecting her insecurity.

And what is she doing? She's on the road as an old woman something she claimed she did not want to happen.