Rhiannon intro

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by Macfan4life

But was not the Live album version taken from the Rumours tour?

That's possible. I do know some of those tracks are from the Rumors tour. I just forget which ones.

[jmn3]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

That's possible. I do know some of those tracks are from the Rumors tour. I just forget which ones.

The Live album Rhiannon is definitely Rumours Tour era.

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by jmn3

The Live album Rhiannon is definitely Rumours Tour era.

It's really evolved at that point. They nailed it on the LIVE album.

[Villavic]

Originally Posted by jmn3

The Live album Rhiannon is definitely Rumours Tour era.

The CD book mentions Rhiannon - London. No dates are specified in any song.

But the Amazon and Wikipedia pages mention London 1980; actually Wikipedia says Rhiannon - 6/26/80, Wembley Arena, London. No source specified, I always try to find the original source cause Wikipedia is not always accurate.

On both web pages there is no mention of Rumours tour in any song. However Don't let me down agian says 10/17/75, Capitol Theater, Passaic in Wikipedia, but in Amazon it says Live 1980, Passaic, NJ, so obviously these pages are not completely reliable.

Now, how can we be sure Rhiannon was from Rumours tour? Did you find any reliable source, video, etc.?

[Macfan4life]

Originally Posted by Villavic

The CD book mentions Rhiannon - London. No dates are specified in any song.

But the Amazon and Wikipedia pages mention London 1980; actually Wikipedia says Rhiannon - 6/26/80, Wembley Arena, London. No source specified, I always try to find the original source cause Wikipedia is not always accurate.

On both web pages there is no mention of Rumours tour in any song. However Don't let me down agian says 10/17/75, Capitol Theater, Passaic in Wikipedia, but in Amazon it says Live 1980, Passaic, NJ, so obviously these pages are not completely reliable.

Now, how can we be sure Rhiannon was from Rumours tour? Did you find any reliable source, video, etc.?

Its been mentioned many times here how wrong the Live book is. Over My Head is also from an earlier tour (not 1980). I dont know why but Fleetwood Mac always messes these things up just like when they released the Tusk chain live yet it was from Mirage.
Stevie stopped introducing the Welch Witch after the Rumours tour. Over My Head was not even performed on the Tusk tour. There is no better live version of Rhiannon than the Rumours tour so I understand why it was selected for the 1980 Live album.

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by Macfan4life

Its been mentioned many times here how wrong the Live book is. Over My Head is also from an earlier tour (not 1980). I dont know why but Fleetwood Mac always messes these things up just like when they released the Tusk chain live yet it was from Mirage.
Stevie stopped introducing the Welch Witch after the Rumours tour. Over My Head was not even performed on the Tusk tour. There is no better live version of Rhiannon than the Rumours tour so I understand why it was selected for the 1980 Live album.

It's definitely my favorite live version.

[Macfan4life]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

It's definitely my favorite live version.

The Live album also has (IMHO)
The best Over My Head
The best I'm So Afraid
The best Oh Well (sorry Peter, Billy, and Mike)
The best Sara (until I found out it was touched)
The best Rhiannon

[Villavic]

Originally Posted by Macfan4life

The Live album also has (IMHO)
The best Over My Head

Definitely!

[David]

Originally Posted by Villavic

Now, how can we be sure Rhiannon was from Rumours tour? Did you find any reliable source, video, etc.?

• Lindsey is playing a Les Paul.
• Christine is playing a Hohner Pianet.

The cuts that are not from the 1979–80 tour are:

1. Monday Morning
2. Say You Love Me
3. Dreams
4. Over My Head
5. Rhiannon
6. Don’t Let Me Down Again
7. Don’t Stop

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by David

• Lindsey is playing a Les Paul.
• Christine is playing a Hohner Pianet.

The cuts that are not from the 1979–80 tour are:

1. Monday Morning
2. Say You Love Me
3. Dreams
4. Over My Head
5. Rhiannon
6. Don’t Let Me Down Again
7. Don’t Stop

So, other than Oh Well, the more listenable songs.

Still trying to figure out how Over & Over, Not That Funny and Never Going Back Again ended up on that over Second Hand News, Tusk, and You Make Loving Fun and maybe a few other songs, like Songbird and I Know I’m Not Wrong. It’s a bit too much.

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

So, other than Oh Well, the more listenable songs.

Still trying to figure out how Over & Over, Not That Funny and Never Going Back Again ended up on that over Second Hand News, Tusk, and You Make Loving Fun and maybe a few other songs, like Songbird and I Know I’m Not Wrong. It’s a bit too much.

But, you love that Over and Over made it, no?

[Villavic]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

But, you love that Over and Over made it, no?

I do. However if it ended up on that over SHN or YMLF, I thought it probably was for still promoting the Tusk album (it was 1980). However if that's right, I don't know how they didn't chose the Tusk song.

[Macfan4life]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

But, you love that Over and Over made it, no?

Putting Over and Over on the Live album would be my pick for the best decision the band ever made. OMG the live version takes the song to another level. I cant even imagine me never hearing the live version in such quality. The album version is ok but the live version is off the chain. Its funny but sad when Chris introduces something new from Tusk and the audience is silent. Bruce fans, Rolling Stones fans, or any other band's fans would applaud any new song off the new album.

2 years later: Lindsey introduces a song from Tusk and Chris says to the audience "the album you guys hated"

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

But, you love that Over and Over made it, no?

I don’t hate it, although I’d rather have had “Think About Me” for something like this. I also can’t stand the overdubbed parts. The rehearsal video version blows the Live version away.

[David]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

So, other than Oh Well, the more listenable songs.

(insert David chuckle here)

Still trying to figure out how Over & Over, Not That Funny and Never Going Back Again ended up on that over Second Hand News, Tusk, and You Make Loving Fun and maybe a few other songs, like Songbird and I Know I’m Not Wrong. It’s a bit too much.

Right after they released that album (or maybe a few days before), one of the trashy rock mags (Circus maybe) ran an article that brought up the choice of tracks for the release, wondering why “Station Man” and “The Chain” and “Tusk” were not on it. Mac wasn’t interviewed for the article, so no response was given — the question was just rhetorical. With the album, the band may have been going for weird just to avoid putting out “yet another hit-laden live album,” which they had been known to complain about.

I think that album has plenty of highlights from both eras — certainly “Go Your Own Way” introduced people to a side of the band they would not have known unless they had attended one of the shows — but the decision to use these pseudo-soundcheck performances of “Don’t Stop” and “Dreams” was bizarro. I bet the album was pulled together quickly and hasty non-decisions were made. The tour ended in early September with the plan to release that last show — and on December 8, the album was out. That’s f***ing fast for Fleetwood Mac. You might even call that album a rush job. Imagine someone scrambling around in all those tour stops from the past five years, grabbing songs from here and there. It could not have taken more than a few weeks to do all that work. I don’t even know when new vocals were added (or where). Actually, the only new vocals I can hear are “Sara” (a very bizarre decision to redo the vocal on nearly the entire song) and some backing vocals on “Over and Over.” We’ve always said that the album has a lot of post-production sweetening, but I don’t think it does. There simply wasn’t time. A December 8 release means that mixing, mastering, artwork, marketing, etc., has to be done in November or October. At some point in September, the band reconvened to do the new tracks. Mac left themselves no time to get this Christmas release out the door. Maybe they should have waited until spring but figured that the tour hoopla would have been dead by then.