Rhiannon intro

[Macfan4life]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

It's on the Live album 1980, but not Mirage tour.

But was not the Live album version taken from the Rumours tour?

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by Macfan4life

But was not the Live album version taken from the Rumours tour?

That's possible. I do know some of those tracks are from the Rumors tour. I just forget which ones.

[jmn3]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

That's possible. I do know some of those tracks are from the Rumors tour. I just forget which ones.

The Live album Rhiannon is definitely Rumours Tour era.

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by jmn3

The Live album Rhiannon is definitely Rumours Tour era.

It's really evolved at that point. They nailed it on the LIVE album.

[Villavic]

Originally Posted by jmn3

The Live album Rhiannon is definitely Rumours Tour era.

The CD book mentions Rhiannon - London. No dates are specified in any song.

But the Amazon and Wikipedia pages mention London 1980; actually Wikipedia says Rhiannon - 6/26/80, Wembley Arena, London. No source specified, I always try to find the original source cause Wikipedia is not always accurate.

On both web pages there is no mention of Rumours tour in any song. However Don't let me down agian says 10/17/75, Capitol Theater, Passaic in Wikipedia, but in Amazon it says Live 1980, Passaic, NJ, so obviously these pages are not completely reliable.

Now, how can we be sure Rhiannon was from Rumours tour? Did you find any reliable source, video, etc.?

[Macfan4life]

Originally Posted by Villavic

The CD book mentions Rhiannon - London. No dates are specified in any song.

But the Amazon and Wikipedia pages mention London 1980; actually Wikipedia says Rhiannon - 6/26/80, Wembley Arena, London. No source specified, I always try to find the original source cause Wikipedia is not always accurate.

On both web pages there is no mention of Rumours tour in any song. However Don't let me down agian says 10/17/75, Capitol Theater, Passaic in Wikipedia, but in Amazon it says Live 1980, Passaic, NJ, so obviously these pages are not completely reliable.

Now, how can we be sure Rhiannon was from Rumours tour? Did you find any reliable source, video, etc.?

Its been mentioned many times here how wrong the Live book is. Over My Head is also from an earlier tour (not 1980). I dont know why but Fleetwood Mac always messes these things up just like when they released the Tusk chain live yet it was from Mirage.
Stevie stopped introducing the Welch Witch after the Rumours tour. Over My Head was not even performed on the Tusk tour. There is no better live version of Rhiannon than the Rumours tour so I understand why it was selected for the 1980 Live album.

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by Macfan4life

Its been mentioned many times here how wrong the Live book is. Over My Head is also from an earlier tour (not 1980). I dont know why but Fleetwood Mac always messes these things up just like when they released the Tusk chain live yet it was from Mirage.
Stevie stopped introducing the Welch Witch after the Rumours tour. Over My Head was not even performed on the Tusk tour. There is no better live version of Rhiannon than the Rumours tour so I understand why it was selected for the 1980 Live album.

It's definitely my favorite live version.

[Macfan4life]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

It's definitely my favorite live version.

The Live album also has (IMHO)
The best Over My Head
The best I'm So Afraid
The best Oh Well (sorry Peter, Billy, and Mike)
The best Sara (until I found out it was touched)
The best Rhiannon

[David]

Originally Posted by Villavic

Now, how can we be sure Rhiannon was from Rumours tour? Did you find any reliable source, video, etc.?

• Lindsey is playing a Les Paul.
• Christine is playing a Hohner Pianet.

The cuts that are not from the 1979–80 tour are:

1. Monday Morning
2. Say You Love Me
3. Dreams
4. Over My Head
5. Rhiannon
6. Don’t Let Me Down Again
7. Don’t Stop

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by David

• Lindsey is playing a Les Paul.
• Christine is playing a Hohner Pianet.

The cuts that are not from the 1979–80 tour are:

1. Monday Morning
2. Say You Love Me
3. Dreams
4. Over My Head
5. Rhiannon
6. Don’t Let Me Down Again
7. Don’t Stop

So, other than Oh Well, the more listenable songs.

Still trying to figure out how Over & Over, Not That Funny and Never Going Back Again ended up on that over Second Hand News, Tusk, and You Make Loving Fun and maybe a few other songs, like Songbird and I Know I’m Not Wrong. It’s a bit too much.

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

So, other than Oh Well, the more listenable songs.

Still trying to figure out how Over & Over, Not That Funny and Never Going Back Again ended up on that over Second Hand News, Tusk, and You Make Loving Fun and maybe a few other songs, like Songbird and I Know I’m Not Wrong. It’s a bit too much.

But, you love that Over and Over made it, no?

[David]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

So, other than Oh Well, the more listenable songs.

(insert David chuckle here)

Still trying to figure out how Over & Over, Not That Funny and Never Going Back Again ended up on that over Second Hand News, Tusk, and You Make Loving Fun and maybe a few other songs, like Songbird and I Know I’m Not Wrong. It’s a bit too much.

Right after they released that album (or maybe a few days before), one of the trashy rock mags (Circus maybe) ran an article that brought up the choice of tracks for the release, wondering why “Station Man” and “The Chain” and “Tusk” were not on it. Mac wasn’t interviewed for the article, so no response was given — the question was just rhetorical. With the album, the band may have been going for weird just to avoid putting out “yet another hit-laden live album,” which they had been known to complain about.

I think that album has plenty of highlights from both eras — certainly “Go Your Own Way” introduced people to a side of the band they would not have known unless they had attended one of the shows — but the decision to use these pseudo-soundcheck performances of “Don’t Stop” and “Dreams” was bizarro. I bet the album was pulled together quickly and hasty non-decisions were made. The tour ended in early September with the plan to release that last show — and on December 8, the album was out. That’s f***ing fast for Fleetwood Mac. You might even call that album a rush job. Imagine someone scrambling around in all those tour stops from the past five years, grabbing songs from here and there. It could not have taken more than a few weeks to do all that work. I don’t even know when new vocals were added (or where). Actually, the only new vocals I can hear are “Sara” (a very bizarre decision to redo the vocal on nearly the entire song) and some backing vocals on “Over and Over.” We’ve always said that the album has a lot of post-production sweetening, but I don’t think it does. There simply wasn’t time. A December 8 release means that mixing, mastering, artwork, marketing, etc., has to be done in November or October. At some point in September, the band reconvened to do the new tracks. Mac left themselves no time to get this Christmas release out the door. Maybe they should have waited until spring but figured that the tour hoopla would have been dead by then.

[jmn3]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

So, other than Oh Well, the more listenable songs.

Still trying to figure out how Over & Over, Not That Funny and Never Going Back Again ended up on that over Second Hand News, Tusk, and You Make Loving Fun and maybe a few other songs, like Songbird and I Know I’m Not Wrong. It’s a bit too much.

Did they play IKINW in 79-80? For whatever reason I thought that one didn’t get unearthed until SYW.

The Chain, Tusk, Sisters, You Make Loving Fun, Second Hand News, and a legit recording of Don’t Stop belonged on that album well ahead of some of the chosen songs. I’m glad the Tusk Deluxe and Live Deluxe addressed some of the missing links.

[Villavic]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

Still trying to figure out how Over & Over, Not That Funny and Never Going Back Again ended up on that over Second Hand News, Tusk, and You Make Loving Fun and maybe a few other songs, like Songbird and I Know I’m Not Wrong. It’s a bit too much.

Not that I want to join the theory that everything is always Mick's fault, but I suspect that the song selection was mainly his:

It was controversial within the band, this record, because I was the only one who wanted to do it. It was not a popular decision. Both John McVie and Lindsey Buckingham thought it was a negative move, but I always bought Greatest Hits albums myself, and I strongly felt there had to be a live document of the band at this point. Besides, we had great material to work with, recorded all over the world: "Monday Morning" from Tokyo, "Say You Love Me" from Wichita, ''Dreams" from the Paris sound check, a psychedelic "Oh Well" from St. Louis, "Rhiannon" from London, and so on. We also set up our gear and played three new songs "live" for an audience of crew and friends at the Santa Monica Civic Center Stevie's "Fireflies," Chris's "One More Night," and a Fleetwood Mac harmony orgy in homage to Brian Wilson's "The Farmer's Daughter."

Later in the year, we released Fleetwood Mac Live as a double album, and it wasn't a big success. There were many accusations of "We told you so," but I have no regrets.

[jmn3]

Originally Posted by Villavic

The CD book mentions Rhiannon - London. No dates are specified in any song.

But the Amazon and Wikipedia pages mention London 1980; actually Wikipedia says Rhiannon - 6/26/80, Wembley Arena, London. No source specified, I always try to find the original source cause Wikipedia is not always accurate.

On both web pages there is no mention of Rumours tour in any song. However Don't let me down agian says 10/17/75, Capitol Theater, Passaic in Wikipedia, but in Amazon it says Live 1980, Passaic, NJ, so obviously these pages are not completely reliable.

Now, how can we be sure Rhiannon was from Rumours tour? Did you find any reliable source, video, etc.?

Years of listening to bootlegs and recordings of so many concerts that I couldn’t keep count. The sound of the band, Stevie’s voice, they are dead giveaways that the recording is from 1977 and definitely not 1979-80.