Say You Will/Christine

[DownOnRodeo]

All the same, I know that Lindsey started to believe that Chris might return (...). He and I disagreed completely on this, however I knew how serious Chris was about the change in her lifestyle that departing the band meant to her, while Lindsey thought it was just a momentary phase. In the end, I was right" - pp. 280-281

In the end, Lindsey was right. (It just took another ten years.)

[Villavic]

Originally Posted by DownOnRodeo

In the end, Lindsey was right. (It just took another ten years.)

Yes. And it's weird cause though probably Mick wrote he was right while Chris was still in retirement, the audio book was released in oct. 2014 and the printed book in dec 2014, both when the On with the Show tour was already on the road. Was there no time to update it?

[aleuzzi]

They did an admirable job of carrying on without her, thanks in large part to Lindsey’s energy on stage. (However, Stevie’s celebrity was the reason they were able to keep going.)

But admirable is a far cry from stellar, or even wholly convincing. Christine’s absence on the record is glaring. It occasionally even hurts. But in terms of a traditional band concept, her refusal to tour could have hurt the cause if she’d ended up on the record.

For what it’s worth, I always think the record is far more crucial than the tours. It’s what left after the ephemeral excitement of a live show fades into memory. I would have preferred her on SYW. On the other hand, Lindsey’s integrity about his position transferred to his stage presence: he worked damn hard in the early 2000s for that band. I saw them for the unleashed tour. He was the focal point—and he did things with John and Mick they’d never managed before.

One other note: in an interview around 2004, John was asked what he thought of Christine’s then new solo album. He thought it sounded good but would have been better had she worked with FM. At the time I was annoyed by this: I thought he was dinging Christine’s work. In hindsight, I realize he may have been giving a jab to Lindsey, essentially voicing his support of her presence in the band on record.

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by aleuzzi

They did an admirable job of carrying on without her, thanks in large part to Lindsey’s energy on stage. (However, Stevie’s celebrity was the reason they were able to keep going.)

But admirable is a far cry from stellar, or even wholly convincing. Christine’s absence on the record is glaring. It occasionally even hurts. But in terms of a traditional band concept, her refusal to tour could have hurt the cause if she’d ended up on the record.

For what it’s worth, I always think the record is far more crucial than the tours. It’s what left after the ephemeral excitement of a live show fades into memory. I would have preferred her on SYW. On the other hand, Lindsey’s integrity about his position transferred to his stage presence: he worked damn hard in the early 2000s for that band. I saw them for the unleashed tour. He was the focal point—and he did things with John and Mick they’d never managed before.

One other note: in an interview around 2004, John was asked what he thought of Christine’s then new solo album. He thought it sounded good but would have been better had she worked with FM. At the time I was annoyed by this: I thought he was dinging Christine’s work. In hindsight, I realize he may have been giving a jab to Lindsey, essentially voicing his support of her presence in the band on record.

This kind of leads me to believe she kept writing and would have offered her ITM songs to SYW. Or was wanting to.

I'm glad we got ITM instead. It's a little masterpiece.

[aleuzzi]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

This kind of leads me to believe she kept writing and would have offered her ITM songs to SYW. Or was wanting to.

I'm glad we got ITM instead. It's a little masterpiece.

Me, too.

I also think some of the animosity she shows in her songs was directed, consciously or otherwise, at the band’s refusal to let her record without touring. She may have been writing love songs, but the album’s title reveals a lot more…

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by aleuzzi

Me, too.

I also think some of the animosity she shows in her songs was directed, consciously or otherwise, at the band’s refusal to let her record without touring. She may have been writing love songs, but the album’s title reveals a lot more…

We also know there was a man, too.

[aleuzzi]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

We also know there was a man, too.

Of course--and that's the context. But I think there is a subtext where she is working through the rejection of not being able to work on SYW. I remember sensing it at the time, too.

[Villavic]

Originally Posted by aleuzzi

They did an admirable job of carrying on without her, thanks in large part to Lindsey’s energy on stage. (However, Stevie’s celebrity was the reason they were able to keep going.)

I saw them in april 2009. Yes Lindsey's energy was THE show. Stevie sang fine, and including Storms in the setlist was a beautiful surprise. But she looked a bit tired. I think it was the 26th date so probably the tour was taking its toll. However Lindsey did look vitalized and played great.

Originally Posted by aleuzzi

For what it’s worth, I always think the record is far more crucial than the tours. It’s what left after the ephemeral excitement of a live show fades into memory.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think in the 70s and 80s the tours role was to support the record sales. Nowadays the tours are the point in the business model so they have to perform a great show. Then the records are losing their crucial role.

[aleuzzi]

Originally Posted by Villavic

I saw them in april 2009. Yes Lindsey's energy was THE show. Stevie sang fine, and including Storms in the setlist was a beautiful surprise. But she looked a bit tired. I think it was the 26th date so probably the tour was taking its tool. However Lindsey did look vitalized and played great.



Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think in the 70s and 80s the tours role was to support the record sales. Nowadays the tours are the point in the business model so they have to perform a great show. Then the records are losing their crucial role.

Yeah, but by 2004, they were already loaded. But yes, these people identified themselves as a live band, and their identities flowed from that. Still, SYW would have slayed with Christine.