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Old 08-18-2023, 08:13 AM
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The mantra of that whole time period - where’s Stevie!? Too busy running around the world on a bender
If it was taken during spring ´87 Tango sessions, she may have been at the Betty Ford, as Sara Anderson.
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Old 08-18-2023, 09:07 AM
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It's Tango, and he posted it to make a point to $tevie. You weren't there.
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Old 08-18-2023, 08:38 PM
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Im a professional retoucher... and in my opinion — This photo is pre-photoshop -- but it is 100% a cut and paste of them off. First off, as someone has mentioned, the lighting is different on all of them... Christine looks overly crisp around her left side and blurry around the edges on the right, like she was pasted there and then airbrushed in. Linds is dressed to the nines, with 80s fashions, slick hair and some good skin foundation... None of them would ever look this good just hanging around the studio. These are all, in my opinion outtakes from an Aaron R photoshoot... He's the same guy that took these of Stevie and Chris. And i would say that Chris's hair and make up look quite similar in this mock-up studio shot as they do in these studio session shots with Stevie.
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Old 08-19-2023, 10:53 AM
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Im a professional retoucher... and in my opinion — This photo is pre-photoshop -- but it is 100% a cut and paste of them off. First off, as someone has mentioned, the lighting is different on all of them... Christine looks overly crisp around her left side and blurry around the edges on the right, like she was pasted there and then airbrushed in. Linds is dressed to the nines, with 80s fashions, slick hair and some good skin foundation... None of them would ever look this good just hanging around the studio. These are all, in my opinion outtakes from an Aaron R photoshoot... He's the same guy that took these of Stevie and Chris. And i would say that Chris's hair and make up look quite similar in this mock-up studio shot as they do in these studio session shots with Stevie.
Exactly. Photoshops existed in the 1980s with the most famous was Oprah's 1989 photoshopped TV guide cover that brought photoshopping into the limelight.
I think there were photos of all of them in the studio and someone just mashed them together. IMHO Oprah's 1989 photoshop was more convincing. Its not photoshopped like people think, a different head and body, etc. Its them full body parts. But they are merged or edited together like you said. Photoshopping is not just for editing people but places. Its a very common practice in all rock photography, album covers, etc.
Are we going to debate if the Tusk insert album covers were photoshopped next?
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Old 08-19-2023, 11:47 AM
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I dropped the photographer, Aaron Rapoport, a line on Instagram to clear things up. This is what he said to me:

'Hey Chris, no photoshop. I just wish Stevie was in the photo. At the time she wouldn't get anywhere near Lindsay!'

(his spelling of Lindsey, not mine). So let that be the final word on the matter!
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Old 08-19-2023, 07:38 PM
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I dropped the photographer, Aaron Rapoport, a line on Instagram to clear things up. This is what he said to me:

'Hey Chris, no photoshop. I just wish Stevie was in the photo. At the time she wouldn't get anywhere near Lindsay!'

(his spelling of Lindsey, not mine). So let that be the final word on the matter!
I think she was terrified to come into the studio after being on the road with Rock a Little tour. She was in terrible shape and needed to go to rehab. If I remember correctly though Lindsey was very good with her and got the best he could out of her songs and vocals
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Old 08-20-2023, 01:07 AM
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The mantra of that whole time period - where’s Stevie!? Too busy running around the world on a bender
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I think she was terrified to come into the studio after being on the road with Rock a Little tour. She was in terrible shape and needed to go to rehab. If I remember correctly though Lindsey was very good with her and got the best he could out of her songs and vocals
I recall Mick saying the band asked (told?) Lindsey to be particularly careful with her during the recording of her stuff. Translation: "Don't be a dick"
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Old 08-19-2023, 07:22 PM
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Exactly. Photoshops existed in the 1980s with the most famous was Oprah's 1989 photoshopped TV guide cover that brought photoshopping into the limelight.
I think there were photos of all of them in the studio and someone just mashed them together. IMHO Oprah's 1989 photoshop was more convincing. Its not photoshopped like people think, a different head and body, etc. Its them full body parts. But they are merged or edited together like you said. Photoshopping is not just for editing people but places. Its a very common practice in all rock photography, album covers, etc.
Are we going to debate if the Tusk insert album covers were photoshopped next?
Photoshop is now a proprietary eponym. Maybe at the time there were other (possibly now defunct) photo editing software, but at the time of creation of Tango in the Night photoshop certainly didn’t exist as a thing.
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Old 08-20-2023, 09:33 AM
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Photoshop is now a proprietary eponym. Maybe at the time there were other (possibly now defunct) photo editing software, but at the time of creation of Tango in the Night photoshop certainly didn’t exist as a thing.
Very true. Since the internet the word photoshop has taken on a completely different meaning almost. It implies that something is not real. Whether you call it photoshop, airbrush, or photo editing, its always been used in rock photography. The Wild Heart album cover has 3 Stevie's photoshopped or edited together. Tusk had photo edits of them on the ceiling. It's always been around. It makes the photos more clever and makes them look better. As I mentioned earlier I never ever gave this photo a second glance for all these years. When someone posted about its "natural authenticity" I gave it a second look. IMHO there are many clues of some artistic take on the photo. I don't see Lindsey showing off his chest hair with suspenders on while working in a studio. There is definitely some "editing" or whatever you want to call it in the photo. IMHO John does not even look like he is in the same room. But in any event just like a favorite song or a least favorite song, its just an opinion. We always must agree to disagree on this board
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Old 08-20-2023, 11:43 AM
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Of course, we're all entitled to our opinions on anything and everything, even in the face of evidence from people who actually know what they're talking about - hence the wild preponderance of conspiracy theories and 'altermative truths' these days.

In this case, I'm going to listen to the man who actually took the photograph.
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Tusk had photo edits of them on the ceiling.
That wasn't photoshopping. That was just the cocaine doing its thing.
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Old 08-19-2023, 07:11 AM
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Jeez….a few people over thinking it and over analysing.
What a lovely picture!
The poses look totally natural to me, in so far as any staged pose for a professional photographer is going to look a tad awkward. Micks arms….no issues. His left elbow and arm are leaning on the speaker and his right arm is leaning onto his left arm….no issue. Christine’s arms….look fine.
A photo taken in 1986, before photoshop. Credit to be given to the photographer.
I was quite excited by the prospect of this being the can’t Help Falling in Love session but, alas, it sounds as if it’s after that session and during TITN.
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Old 08-19-2023, 09:18 AM
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Jeez….a few people over thinking it and over analysing.
What a lovely picture!
The poses look totally natural to me, in so far as any staged pose for a professional photographer is going to look a tad awkward. Micks arms….no issues. His left elbow and arm are leaning on the speaker and his right arm is leaning onto his left arm….no issue. Christine’s arms….look fine.
A photo taken in 1986, before photoshop. Credit to be given to the photographer.
I was quite excited by the prospect of this being the can’t Help Falling in Love session but, alas, it sounds as if it’s after that session and during TITN.
This has always been one of my favorite “band” photos, which seems to have been deliberately released as a kind of “eff u” to Stevie. I remember at the time thinking how good Lindsey looked, and Christine. Mick and John look elegant but older. Having John so recessed like that also seemed like a metaphor for his relationship to the whole Tango project. He was there, did his job, but not especially attached to the music. His wonderful bass on Little Lies and a handful of other songs aside, his presence on the record felt diminished by the automation and synthesizers…
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