Hold Me from the Live album Deluxe Edition

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by Wdm6789

I also did not see them on the 2018-2019 tour, but I’m pretty sure they did Isn’t It Midnight for the first several shows and then replaced it with Hold Me for the rest of the tour.

I was front row for show #2(Nashville), and they did Hold Me. The key was dropped from D to B. Christine WAS NOT playing the piano part. I'm 95% certain that Brett wasn't, either. Karenoke!

[Wdm6789]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

I was front row for show #2(Nashville), and they did Hold Me. The key was dropped from D to B. Christine WAS NOT playing the piano part. I'm 95% certain that Brett wasn't, either. Karenoke!

I think she was playing on the 2014-2015 tour, but I’m sure she had plenty of supplementation from Brett and/or pre recorded music being phoned in.

I was fine with it though. It was amazing to see her back with the band, regardless. But by 2018, I’m sure she was just pretending to play the keyboards, which again, I would be fine with. Just to have her still there singing and pretending to play the keyboards was good enough for me.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by Wdm6789

I think she was playing on the 2014-2015 tour, but I’m sure she had plenty of supplementation from Brett and/or pre recorded music being phoned in.

I was fine with it though. It was amazing to see her back with the band, regardless. But by 2018, I’m sure she was just pretending to play the keyboards, which again, I would be fine with. Just to have her still there singing and pretending to play the keyboards was good enough for me.

I find it weird, though. Guitar is SO MUCH more physically demanding than keyboards. Bob Dylan(yes, I'd say that to him) switched from guitars to keyboards a few years back, and everyone assumes that that's the reason. I also play both instruments, and I'm beginning to have hand issues... it affects certain things I play on guitar, but nothing on keyboards.

I'm just curious if it was just arthritis, or something more debilitating...

[aleuzzi]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

I find it weird, though. Guitar is SO MUCH more physically demanding than keyboards. Bob Dylan(yes, I'd say that to him) switched from guitars to keyboards a few years back, and everyone assumes that that's the reason. I also play both instruments, and I'm beginning to have hand issues... it affects certain things I play on guitar, but nothing on keyboards.

I'm just curious if it was just arthritis, or something more debilitating...

In her case, it may have been a mix of things: she appears to have lost dexterity in her hand, which reduced her to chords during live performances; but that may also have been because Brett had been playing the keyboard parts for a long time. The band had already gotten into a comfortable place with LB/SN's songs, so she might have just said "Ok, you keep doing what you're doing and I'll play some basic things."

Weird thing, though is watching her practice with the "new" 2018 band. She was moving her fingers pretty fast in that clip. So who knows?

[BigAl84]

Originally Posted by aleuzzi

In her case, it may have been a mix of things: she appears to have lost dexterity in her hand, which reduced her to chords during live performances; but that may also have been because Brett had been playing the keyboard parts for a long time. The band had already gotten into a comfortable place with LB/SN's songs, so she might have just said "Ok, you keep doing what you're doing and I'll play some basic things."

Weird thing, though is watching her practice with the "new" 2018 band. She was moving her fingers pretty fast in that clip. So who knows?

Didn't some sort of hand injury occur during the 2014/2015 tour that caused songbird to be removed from the set? Perhaps she either never quite recovered back to normal or she developed arthritis as a result of the injury?

I never thought of it in this way, but it's possible that certain songs had parts that she can play just fine, but not repeatedly night after night while on tour for months at a time. Maybe Brett took on those more physically demanding keyboard parts.

I bet David would know which keyboard parts were a workout compared to others.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by BigAl84

Didn't some sort of hand injury occur during the 2014/2015 tour that caused songbird to be removed from the set? Perhaps she either never quite recovered back to normal or she developed arthritis as a result of the injury?

I never thought of it in this way, but it's possible that certain songs had parts that she can play just fine, but not repeatedly night after night while on tour for months at a time. Maybe Brett took on those more physically demanding keyboard parts.

I bet David would know which keyboard parts were a workout compared to others.

Get Like You Used To Be is a workout, but this ain't 1975.

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

Get Like You Used To Be is a workout, but this ain't 1975.

you're lovin too many people, EVERYONE YA SEE!

[David]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

Get Like You Used To Be is a workout, but this ain't 1975.

Yep, that one and a few others from the old days, especially if the band speeded them up in concert. But I hadn’t heard Christine play anything difficult (for her) since the Dance Don’t Stop. I guess she was taking a well-earned keyboard rest for 20 years.

[bombaysaffires]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

I find it weird, though. Guitar is SO MUCH more physically demanding than keyboards. Bob Dylan(yes, I'd say that to him) switched from guitars to keyboards a few years back, and everyone assumes that that's the reason. I also play both instruments, and I'm beginning to have hand issues... it affects certain things I play on guitar, but nothing on keyboards.

I'm just curious if it was just arthritis, or something more debilitating...

You know, Lindsey's "Christine is fragile" comments, which seemed kinda douchey at the time, seem to maybe have had more substance to them than we knew at the time... (and yes, he can be douchey AND accurate at the same time)

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

You know, Lindsey's "Christine is fragile" comments, which seemed kinda douchey at the time, seem to maybe have had more substance to them than we knew at the time... (and yes, he can be douchey AND accurate at the same time)

I know of someone who met her circa 2018, and also said the same.

She always seemed so timeless, isn't it weird how everyone ages differently?

[Wdm6789]

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

You know, Lindsey's "Christine is fragile" comments, which seemed kinda douchey at the time, seem to maybe have had more substance to them than we knew at the time... (and yes, he can be douchey AND accurate at the same time)

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

I know of someone who met her circa 2018, and also said the same.

She always seemed so timeless, isn't it weird how everyone ages differently?

It was always a little odd to me the difference in Christine from 2014/15 to 2017 to 2018/19.

She sounded really good on the 2014/2015 tour. Her vocals and her performance were in top form, given her age at the time and her 16 year absence. But she looked a lot better, superficially, in 2017-2019. Her face looked better, her hair looked better. I assumed maybe she was getting some anti-aging treatments at some point between 2015 and 2017 or maybe she was just wearing heavier makeup. It also looked like she was wearing a wig or had hair extensions put in. But on the 2018 tour, her vocals were getting weaker. I didn’t see them in 2018-2019, so she might have sounded good in person at a concert because it’s all loud and amplified, but the difference is very clear when you watch videos on YouTube of her performances in 2014/15 vs. 2018/19. She still sounded pretty good in 2017 though. Fleetwood Mac headlined two festivals in 2017 and she did the Buckingham McVie tour.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

I was front row for show #2(Nashville), and they did Hold Me. The key was dropped from D to B. Christine WAS NOT playing the piano part. I'm 95% certain that Brett wasn't, either. Karenoke!

So I was just going through some Youtube videos, and here's the actual video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00GZm-4uM6c

Notice how she's adjusting her hair WHILE the piano intro is playing...

Also how she looks at her tiny teleprompter before almost every verse line.

It's VERY weird for me to think that I was that close to her(I was standing a couple feet to the left of this camera angle), and that she's gone now.

[Mr Scarrott]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

So I was just going through some Youtube videos, and here's the actual video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00GZm-4uM6c

Notice how she's adjusting her hair WHILE the piano intro is playing...

Also how she looks at her tiny teleprompter before almost every verse line.

It's VERY weird for me to think that I was that close to her(I was standing a couple feet to the left of this camera angle), and that she's gone now.

Homer is correct, I think. I'm no great piano player, but the lower piano notes we can hear would have to be played by the left hand (which she was using to adjust her hair) given the higher notes that were supposed to be being played by the right hand.

She wasn't the only one though- check out "Love is here to stay" - again I'm no great guitarist and Lindsey will use unusual string tunings but he's miming here- you can see clearly at about the minute mark. He's only using his thumb and two fingers to "pick" as well, which given the musical pattern of the accompaniment gives me further suspicion. Perhaps better guitarists than me might have an opinion

Kind of disappointing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4jo1H5uej8