Christine's death certificate

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by sleepless child

Given the 2019 tour without Lindsey, It probably is for the best that Fleetwood Mac is officially over. If I were John, it would be hard to forgive Stevie and Mick for that last tour.

John and Mick were hanging out after Christine died. Also, he went to see Stevie last year. She dedicated “Landslide” to him. I think he was mostly neutral on Lindsey.

I’m curious if Mick was there with the family, too?

[Penguin Emeritus]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

John and Mick were hanging out after Christine died. Also, he went to see Stevie last year. She dedicated “Landslide” to him. I think he was mostly neutral on Lindsey.

I’m curious if Mick was there with the family, too?

No, he wasn't. It was an extremely small group.


I'm not sure I'd say John and Mick were 'hanging out' after Chris died... They were grieving together.


End of life care is not a glamorous time. I would imagine the people that you would want with you would be those that you are truly the closest to, whom you know adore you and that you trust 100%...both to protect your privacy, and to do what's best for you if you cannot do or speak for yourself.

She had enough time to make her choices about who she wanted there and what she wanted done.

I think it's very admirable that for 4 months we heard not a peep about a cause of death, because the people with her didn't say a word. It only came out because of these court papers. If her wishes were to keep things private, as I'm assuming they were, then she chose the right people to have around her. But at some point, things such as court papers were out of their control.

--Lis

[aleuzzi]

News reports of the official cause of her death are brining back a lot of the pain, the grief feels fresh for me tonight as I type this. And to add to this the rather seedy reporting of her finances/taxes (which I think should NOT be shared with the world)—that leaves me even sadder. Is that what is left? Discussions of money? It all feels so...diminishing. Knowing how and why she died is one thing. Learning there’s an outstanding tax bill is another...

[David]

Originally Posted by aleuzzi

News reports of the official cause of her death are brining back a lot of the pain, the grief feels fresh for me tonight as I type this. And to add to this the rather seedy reporting of her finances/taxes (which I think should NOT be shared with the world)—that leaves me even sadder. Is that what is left? Discussions of money? It all feels so...diminishing. Knowing how and why she died is one thing. Learning there’s an outstanding tax bill is another...

What year did Chris sell her songs to the Man? Maybe her tax bill is a result of that — maybe her accountant fully expected to have to settle up.

[bombaysaffires]

Originally Posted by David

What year did Chris sell her songs to the Man? Maybe her tax bill is a result of that — maybe her accountant fully expected to have to settle up.

someone in the uk explained it better in either this thread or in the Christine forum thread... but over a certain amount ..s something like £320,000 the UK gov't taxes estates/inheritances at 40% or almost half. So the estate is facing a tax bill for the inheritance unless they can do whatever they need to do to protect that money or else have to pay that huge portion to the taxman. That's why there are taxes listed and the amount is so high.

[David]

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

someone in the uk explained it better in either this thread or in the Christine forum thread... but over a certain amount ..s something like £320,000 the UK gov't taxes estates/inheritances at 40% or almost half. So the estate is facing a tax bill for the inheritance unless they can do whatever they need to do to protect that money or else have to pay that huge portion to the taxman. That's why there are taxes listed and the amount is so high.

That makes sense to me. Chris realized a huge capital gain when she sold her song rights. Of course, so did the others, so they’d better have planned for it.

[Ulpian]

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

someone in the uk explained it better in either this thread or in the Christine forum thread... but over a certain amount ..s something like £320,000 the UK gov't taxes estates/inheritances at 40% or almost half. So the estate is facing a tax bill for the inheritance unless they can do whatever they need to do to protect that money or else have to pay that huge portion to the taxman. That's why there are taxes listed and the amount is so high.

The money can’t be “protected” if it formed part of her personal estate when she died. If Christine was English/U.K. domiciled for tax purposes on death, which I’d say she was, the bill is due regardless of where her assets were on death. I can’t see any way around paying the liability if it’s on stocks/cash/real property, and I do this for a living…

Suspect she needs both US and English probate. That’s why the US court is involved. They need to be able to access liquidity to pay, and by the sound of it Christine’s wealth was mostly held in the US. They may be petitioning the court there to ask it to allow monies to be freed up so that the tax in the U.K. (due on her worldwide estate) can be paid.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by Penguin Emeritus

I'm not sure I'd say John and Mick were 'hanging out' after Chris died... They were grieving together.

Point being that they were together after Christine died, which was in response to the idea that John would never forgive Mick and Stevie for what happened in 2018.

[Penguin Emeritus]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

Point being that they were together after Christine died, which was in response to the idea that John would never forgive Mick and Stevie for what happened in 2018.

Well that's true. I don't think John was holding any grudges about that.

--Lis

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by Penguin Emeritus

Well that's true. I don't think John was holding any grudges about that.

--Lis

EVEN THOUGH Stevie ruined the legacy of the band.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

EVEN THOUGH Stevie ruined the legacy of the band.

I suspect John holds significantly more bitterness about the Munich military brats dosing Peter Green than Lindsey getting sacked.

[aleuzzi]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

I suspect John holds significantly more bitterness about the Munich military brats dosing Peter Green than Lindsey getting sacked.

True statement!

Also, John was not pleased when Bob Welch left. Even when the band became a huge success, he felt ambivalent about what they then were. In 1977, when RS profiled the band, John was interviewed on his yacht/boat, where he was living at the time. He said he was perfectly happy with how the band was faring BEFORE 1975.

[bombaysaffires]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

Point being that they were together after Christine died, which was in response to the idea that John would never forgive Mick and Stevie for what happened in 2018.

I would suspect that John (and all the Brits) understood that Stevie and Lindsey had a complicated relationship that pre-dates joining FM, and they have seen that dynamic play out for DECADES now. So while they may have opinions and feelings about tampering with the band's lineup so late in the game, they would also understand (better than most other bands) the challenges of working with an ex and how the old baggage never really goes away. So John I would think would likely have looked at what happened as being between Stevie and Lindsey and he wasn't going to wade into the middle of that sh*tshow....He probably took a pragmatic approach like, ok how do we meet our obligations to do all these shows we've signed contracts to do so we don't get sued and so I still get paid...

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

I would suspect that John (and all the Brits) understood that Stevie and Lindsey had a complicated relationship that pre-dates joining FM, and they have seen that dynamic play out for DECADES now. So while they may have opinions and feelings about tampering with the band's lineup so late in the game, they would also understand (better than most other bands) the challenges of working with an ex and how the old baggage never really goes away. So John I would think would likely have looked at as what happened was between Stevie and Lindsey and he wasn't going to wade into the middle of that sh*tshow....He probably took a pragmatic approach like, ok how do we meet our obligations to do all these shows we've signed contracts to do so we don't get sued and so I still get paid...

Couldn't agree more. He wasn't overly fond of their drama to begin with, let alone later in the years.

[Penguin Emeritus]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

Couldn't agree more. He wasn't overly fond of their drama to begin with, let alone later in the years.

This is true. Even in one of his Q&A's he mentioned wanting to 'say goodbye' a few times on the last tour. I would guess he was referring to S/L drama. That had to have gotten so tedious.

Also in the 2019 BBC documentary about Chris, when they asked what she'd missed when she was gone, and she dryly said 'apparently not much' and described how she'd heard L/S had been tearing each other limb from limb...who do you think told her all that?? I'd guess it had to have been john, and maybe mick as well.

i think by that point the Brits knew things were not gonna change or improve.

--Lis