Out of the Cradle 30th Anniversay

[cbBen]

Lindsey addresses the above in this article. Among other things, he says it's much easier to get his work out via Fleetwood Mac than under his own name. Upon the release of Say You Will:

"I spent about seven years trying to get my material that's on this album placed and heard." "I felt an extreme need to have it have a home and get it out so someone could hear it." "I would be completely happy to continue with this [Fleetwood Mac], never to pursue anything solo again. Because it's a hell of a lot easier": https://www.fleetwoodmac-uk.com/articles/FMart115.html

[anusha]

Sigh, OOTC is still my favorite LB album and my favorite FM solo album with Bella Donna coming in second. I think it still hangs together well as a collection of songs but I don’t know if any of them really could have been serious hit singles. Somehow his solo work never quite hits the sweet spot of mass appeal the way his FM work has. He is someone who is really best suited to a band context and to producing other artists but somehow he has not come out with the songs to make a big hit. He’s come to realize that and seems to accept his solo career. I’m just glad he keeps at it — I really do love a lot of it even if it’s never going to be massively popular.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by anusha

Sigh, OOTC is still my favorite LB album and my favorite FM solo album with Bella Donna coming in second. I think it still hangs together well as a collection of songs but I don’t know if any of them really could have been serious hit singles. Somehow his solo work never quite hits the sweet spot of mass appeal the way his FM work has. He is someone who is really best suited to a band context and to producing other artists but somehow he has not come out with the songs to make a big hit. He’s come to realize that and seems to accept his solo career. I’m just glad he keeps at it — I really do love a lot of it even if it’s never going to be massively popular.

But it makes me kind of feel sorry for him. He deserved that mass appeal, but never really tried to court it. So I guess it's his own fault. Weird is never going to appeal to the masses, I guess.

[Macfan4life]

This 1984 interview describes why he goes "left of center" in making music especially in solo music. Its fun to look back at this because he wanted to follow up Go Insane with another solo album and warned Fleetwood Mac not to make another album for the "wrong" reasons. In some ways, was Tango made for the wrong reasons? To get Mick out of bankruptcy especially since he put his solo album on hold and morphed it into the Tango project. So I guess he got satisfaction he had his solo songs on the album. I remember in 1987 he also said Tusk elements were similar for Tango since he was doing so much of it on his own.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tj7tfeFA5Cc

On another note, I saw this interesting interview pop up where Mick and Lindsey discuss the disco phenomenon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMjl4Qs4qP0

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by Macfan4life

On another note, I saw this interesting interview pop up where Mick and Lindsey discuss the disco phenomenon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMjl4Qs4qP0

Ironic coming from Mick. I guess he forgot about "Keep On Going" from Mystery to Me and completely ignored what Bob Welch was doing with French Kiss.

[bombaysaffires]

Originally Posted by cbBen

Lindsey addresses the above in this article. Among other things, he says it's much easier to get his work out via Fleetwood Mac than under his own name. Upon the release of Say You Will:

"I spent about seven years trying to get my material that's on this album placed and heard." "I felt an extreme need to have it have a home and get it out so someone could hear it." "I would be completely happy to continue with this [Fleetwood Mac], never to pursue anything solo again. Because it's a hell of a lot easier": https://www.fleetwoodmac-uk.com/articles/FMart115.html

Well that sure seems a pivot of 180 degrees when you think of his statements that FM is so much politics and having to tiptoe around some people's sensitivities (clearly Stevie) and how it's like making a movie whereas solo work is more like painting and it's just you and no politics etc??

I TOTALLY get the point out him having to struggle to get the material out... record companies and managers seem to have been less interested in helping him get solo deals... I mean even Rob Cavallo says that he pushed Lindsey to do a "big FM multi camera show" to "really get his name out" rather than a solo album....

So I have to assume when he refers to FM as being "a hell of a lot easier" he means specifically getting a lot of people to hear his music.. NOT the process of getting music recorded

[BLY]

I just played this entire album from front to back. It really is an amazing collection of songs.Lindsey should have released this album in 1989 on the heels of Tango in the Night. It would have done so much better and would have gotten a lot more air play. Countdown and Soul Drifter should have been big hits.

[WalkAThinLine.]

Originally Posted by BLY

I just played this entire album from front to back. It really is an amazing collection of songs.Lindsey should have released this album in 1989 on the heels of Tango in the Night. It would have done so much better and would have gotten a lot more air play. Countdown and Soul Drifter should have been big hits.

Buckingham has mentioned in a few interviews that he did not immediately start work on his solo album after his departure from Fleetwood Mac, although he still spent a considerable amount of time developing it, often spending 11-12 hours a day in the studio. Perhaps if he was more efficient, he could have managed a late 1990 release., but the album certainly benefited form a long gestation period. It's a great collection of songs.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by WalkAThinLine.

Buckingham has mentioned in a few interviews that he did not immediately start work on his solo album after his departure from Fleetwood Mac, although he still spent a considerable amount of time developing it, often spending 11-12 hours a day in the studio. Perhaps if he was more efficient, he could have managed a late 1990 release., but the album certainly benefited form a long gestation period. It's a great collection of songs.

When I looked up his sales a few days ago, OOTC had his WORST sales. How is that possible? I mean, I'm a Law and Order guy myself, but OOTC deserved recognition. If he'd put it out 5 years earlier, I think it would've been a hit.

[WalkAThinLine.]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

When I looked up his sales a few days ago, OOTC had his WORST sales. How is that possible? I mean, I'm a Law and Order guy myself, but OOTC deserved recognition. If he'd put it out 5 years earlier, I think it would've been a hit.

The musical landscape changed and he was a out of the public sphere for five years, which is a long time in music. "Wrong", "Countdown", and "Soul Drifter" achieved minor airplay, but none of them were hits. His first two albums, while not massive smashes, had at least one top 40 single to buoy the album. By the time Buckingham was on the road touring the album, Out of the Cradle was no longer on the charts.

[lbfan]

Originally Posted by BLY

I just played this entire album from front to back. It really is an amazing collection of songs.Lindsey should have released this album in 1989 on the heels of Tango in the Night. It would have done so much better and would have gotten a lot more air play. Countdown and Soul Drifter should have been big hits.

Tango started out as a Lindsey’s solo album that became an FM album (presumably to get Mick out of bankruptcy). If it stayed a solo album released in 1987/1988, it could have had the Tango songs (Big Love, Tango, Caroline, Family Man) along with some selections from OOTC (he stated that he wrote Soul Drifter in his bedroom when other band members were in the studio in his house). This might have been the springboard for a more commercial success prior to the “grunge” era of the early 90’s. Timing never worked out for Lindsey. However, the three carthartic years that he spent on OOTC made it the album that it is - in my opinion, his magnum opus.

[Macfan4life]

This album is very special to me. Its a fantastic album. But it was released the summer I graduated from college. I was moving all around and songs like Soul Drifter became my theme song. I had the cassette in my 1985 Pontiac Grand Am and it stayed in my tape deck all year. Listening to it really brings me back. Wrong was an incredible video that blew up MTV at the time.

[BLY]

Originally Posted by Macfan4life

This album is very special to me. Its a fantastic album. But it was released the summer I graduated from college. I was moving all around and songs like Soul Drifter became my theme song. I had the cassette in my 1985 Pontiac Grand Am and it stayed in my tape deck all year. Listening to it really brings me back. Wrong was an incredible video that blew up MTV at the time.

It’s a masterpiece for sure. Can you imagine if Lindsey stayed in the band and this was a follow up to Tango with a MAC album with songs from the ladies like

Rooms on Fire
Juliet
Long Way to Go
As Long As I Follow
Nights in Estroil
Hollywood ….
As Buckingham produced tracks!

[bombaysaffires]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

But it makes me kind of feel sorry for him. He deserved that mass appeal, but never really tried to court it. So I guess it's his own fault. Weird is never going to appeal to the masses, I guess.

I've always wondered, did he think it would, back in the beginning of his solo work??

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

When I looked up his sales a few days ago, OOTC had his WORST sales. How is that possible? I mean, I'm a Law and Order guy myself, but OOTC deserved recognition. If he'd put it out 5 years earlier, I think it would've been a hit.

I've also always wondered how his solo career would have gone if OOTC had been his very first solo album....And if he'd been more willing to play the PR game then the way he's come around to it (in his own way at least) now....

I think it's his best solo album.

[bwboy]

Originally Posted by BLY

It’s a masterpiece for sure. Can you imagine if Lindsey stayed in the band and this was a follow up to Tango with a MAC album with songs from the ladies like

Rooms on Fire
Juliet
Long Way to Go
As Long As I Follow
Nights in Estroil
Hollywood ….
As Buckingham produced tracks!

I love Rooms on Fire, Long Way to Go, and As Long As You follow as they are, and I don’t know that Lindsey could have improved them. He’s produced some incredible songs, but some losers too, such as When I See You Again and Family Man, so I’m fine that other folks produced those songs. Save Me, Love Shines, Heart of Stone, ALAYF, Behind the Mask, etc shows that Christine especially was able to record some incredible songs that weren’t as dependent on his excellent studio skills, unlike Stevie.