Mick Interview on Rumours at 45 Years Old

[UnwindedDreams]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

Two in ten years, the second one with Christine possibly retuning as an undercurrent.

After the album Say You Will was released, they did four tours.
SYW was a two year tour. Unleashed was a year. Live 2013 was a year. On With the Show was a year.
As The Ledgie, gldstwmn once said If Stevie could fire Lindsey, she would have fired him a million times already


Why do you think Lindsey was fired? I'd be grateful to hear. Thank you.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams

After the album Say You Will was released, they did four tours.
SYW was a two year tour. Unleashed was a year. Live 2013 was a year. On With the Show was a year.

Well, I was counting the SYW tour as being part of SYW. They only did two more tours with that lineup before Christine came back, but Christine’s return was inevitable by the start of the 2013 tour. I almost went to opening night in Columbus just because it was possible by that point. I decided against it (in keeping with my “I’m done unless Christine comes back” stance).

Why do you think Lindsey was fired? I'd be grateful to hear. Thank you.

Since you asked (although I’ve been consistent on this..)

Because he was being difficult during tour negotiations and kept pushing for a solo tour, even within the context of off nights on a Fleetwood Mac tour. That album he was going to tour behind? Yeah, it was released like seven months ago. Maybe just saying “okay” and going with the flow would have behooved him? Did fighting get him anything? He forgot the equation that he and Stevie were not equals by that point.

[UnwindedDreams]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

Since you asked (although I’ve been consistent on this..)

Because he was being difficult during tour negotiations and kept pushing for a solo tour, even within the context of off nights on a Fleetwood Mac tour.

Difficult as in hurting Stevie's feelings?


Thank you.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams

Difficult as in hurting Stevie's feelings?

What? Where did you get that? That wasn’t even suggested.

Difficult as in they all had agreed in principle prior to end of the 2014-15 tour that they would be doing a tour starting in 2018. By the time things were being booked, people hired, and the other principals had signed off on doing the tour, he threw a monkey wrench into the negotiations. They said no and he kept trying to come up with alternative plan that would let him release a new album before or during the Fleetwood Mac tour. Eventually, there was yet another incident and they decided to move on.

[UnwindedDreams]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

Eventually, there was yet another incident and they decided to move on.

What is "yet another incident"? Wasn't Stevie hurt because he smirked behind her during her speech? That's the incident, no?

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams

What is "yet another incident"? Wasn't Stevie hurt because he smirked behind her during her speech? That's the incident, no?

That’s what Irving told him, there was apparently an outburst about “Rhiannon” being played before they went on that was actually the last straw.

It’s something that in a different context would likely have been glossed over. But after a tenuous and still ongoing negotiation, especially after Lindsey burned his bridges with Irving, who’d just resurrected the Eagles with Vince Gill, and after the untimely death of Tom Petty/sudden availability of Mike Campbell, why bother? Especially when they wanted to play older songs with the pending release of the new career retrospective.

[UnwindedDreams]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

That’s what Irving told him, there was apparently an outburst about “Rhiannon” being played before they went on that was actually the last straw.

It’s something that in a different context would likely have been glossed over. But after a tenuous and still ongoing negotiation, especially after Lindsey burned his bridges with Irving, who’d just resurrected the Eagles with Vince Gill, and after the untimely death of Tom Petty/sudden availability of Mike Campbell, why bother? Especially when they wanted to play older songs with the pending release of the new career retrospective.

I guess the outburst about Rhiannon was what made Stevie say she was done with him. She said he was difficult at Musicares.

[elle]

not sure whether this is from the same apple podcast, or Mick is doing a series of interviews now -

https://kiisfm.iheart.com/content/20...fleetwood-mac/

Rock News
How Mick Fleetwood Wrestled With His Lack Of Songwriting In Fleetwood Mac
By Andrew Magnotta @AndrewMagnotta
Feb 11, 2022

Photo: Getty Images North America

While Mick Fleetwood doesn't have a great many songwriting credits in Fleetwood Mac's catalog, he says he now understands that his most crucial contribution to the band was keeping it together.

There were certainly plenty of moments when the band could have ended — plenty of players have come and gone over the years — but Fleetwood and his bassist and fellow co-founder John McVie persisted through it all, keeping Fleetwood Mac alive.

Still, Fleetwood admitted in a recent interview, there were times when he looked at the groups songwriters and wondered what he was bringing to the table.

"I didn't really know what it was I was really contributing," the drummer said. "I do know now."

Who brought those talented songwriters together? Who kept them together? Who helped bring those visions to life? The drummer says Fleetwood Mac might have kept going for so long because he was insecure as to what would happen to him if the band stopped.

Now, with the band's future uncertain, Fleetwood says he regards the Fleetwood Mac catalog as his "song."

"...[H]earing our body of work from time to time, that actually now comfortably does cross my mind," he explained. "I go, 'Well, no, I didn't do that — but this is my song. This is my song.' ... These lovely incarnations of Fleetwood Mac ... being around incredibly talented people that we were able to invite into the band, and mercifully, with really fantastic unbelievably storytelling results. That to me is like my song now."

Indeed, when you think about the messy, complication relationships within Fleetwood Mac — the fact that the band's most beloved album, Rumours, is about literal breakups between bandmembers — it's a wonder the band managed to continue.

The very idea of the band, to Fleetwood, was a "safe harbor."

"[To] anyone around me that were full of doubt, I said, 'This is not going to disintegrate," he added. "And then a whole other scenario happened, which was the beginning of the journey, the wave of what this body of work created."

It remains unclear if Fleetwood Mac will resume in the post-pandemic world. Stevie Nicks canceled all of her solo concerts last year "in hopes of a brighter 2022," but Christine McVie has expressed doubts that she or John could be coaxed out into another tour.

Fleetwood has been open about his desire to reunite with Lindsey Buckingham, who was fired from the band in 2018, but he added that such a reunion is unlikely to include Nicks.

[elle]

Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams

Difficult as in hurting Stevie's feelings?

difficult as BuckVie album existence hurting her feelings.

and also difficult as possibly hurting Irvings bottom line. the guy who makes all oldies bands forget about being artists and become his touring ka-ching machines.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by elle

difficult as BuckVie album existence hurting her feelings.

and also difficult as possibly hurting Irvings bottom line. the guy who makes all oldies bands forget about being artists and become his touring ka-ching machines.

Yep. How DARE they do a project without her. They showed her that they didn't need her to make a great album.

BuckVie was the beginning of his end.

[elle]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

Yep. How DARE they do a project without her. They showed her that they didn't need her to make a great album.

BuckVie was the beginning of his end.

and yet, if i ask you and others here as FM fans (not talking here about any SN fan disguising themselves as "FM fan") whether they'd rather have intact classic 5 touring jukebox, or BuckVie, LB box set and Lindsey Buckingham albums, i suspect most would by far prefer having those 3 albums to the jukebox tours.

and i'd further suspect so would Lindsey. way better for his musical legacy.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by elle

and yet, if i ask you and others here as FM fans (not talking here about any SN fan disguising themselves as "FM fan") whether they'd rather have intact classic 5 touring jukebox, or BuckVie, LB box set and Lindsey Buckingham albums, i suspect most would by far prefer having those 3 albums to the jukebox tours.

and i'd further suspect so would Lindsey. way better for his musical legacy.

Yeah, I'd say 70% of "FM" fans are really just $tevie fans in sheeps, err, goat's clothing. No $tevie, no FM!!!!

I'll be eternally thankful for BuckVie. It was the perfect (recording) ending for the band, for me. I mean, the old goat wasn't going to record with them anyway, so what's the point of the jukebox tours? I'll just watch Mirage and bootlegs, and live in their heyday.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by elle

and yet, if i ask you and others here as FM fans (not talking here about any SN fan disguising themselves as "FM fan")

What does that even mean? Is it like how you’re a LB fan disguised as a “FM fan?”

whether they'd rather have intact classic 5 touring jukebox, or BuckVie, LB box set and Lindsey Buckingham albums, i suspect most would by far prefer having those 3 albums to the jukebox tours.

And then there are fans like me who’d rather have the current lineup sans Stevie do a Bare Trees 50th Anniversary Tour.