Lindsey features in new UK magazine UNCUT

[jeets2000]

Originally Posted by elle

enjoying Lindsey finally being frank and spilling some tea in interviews, the way he's been with fans at meet & greets and such for years now. i missed this unfiltered Lindsey in his muzzled and band-appeasing interviews, including that bs they were spilling in interviews at the time about how BuckVie was always gonna be a duet album.

at least, even though he apparently still wants to get together with that dysfunctional family of lousy humans, at least he's not trying to hold back and appease anyone (well, he is somewhat appeasing Mick). telling it like it is.

Agreed - these answers make much more sense. The "logic" behind Stevie's move against him is exactly what I thought had happened, too. Stevie Nicks in capital letters...

Sad to see the state of things between LB and John, but I'm not sure we should have expected anything else. They butted heads a bit when he and Stevie first joined, and I don't ever remember hearing about a honeymoon period thereafter. (Still, I'll never forget about LB sticking up for him when John got cancer and the rest of them wanted to keep touring).

The Christine stuff is just heartbreaking. That being said, I think the mutual admiration between them is real, and I'm holding out hope for some kind of fence mending.

[UnwindedDreams]

Originally Posted by jeets2000

(Still, I'll never forget about LB sticking up for him when John got cancer and the rest of them wanted to keep touring).

It's quite hard to swallow that Mick and Stevie would've thought to tour without John.

Lindsey is loyal. He cancelled his UK Tour rather than get a replacement for Neal. And in 2018, he didn't get another guitar player. Neal is his bandmate.

This article is really sad. Stevie acts like Don Angelo Bruno.

[elle]

Originally Posted by jeets2000

Agreed - these answers make much more sense. The "logic" behind Stevie's move against him is exactly what I thought had happened, too. Stevie Nicks in capital letters...

Sad to see the state of things between LB and John, but I'm not sure we should have expected anything else. They butted heads a bit when he and Stevie first joined, and I don't ever remember hearing about a honeymoon period thereafter. (Still, I'll never forget about LB sticking up for him when John got cancer and the rest of them wanted to keep touring).

The Christine stuff is just heartbreaking. That being said, I think the mutual admiration between them is real, and I'm holding out hope for some kind of fence mending.

when you read the interview, and also from what Lindsey was telling fans at m&gs back in 2018, he had no hard feelings towards Christine, John or Mick. he considered them weak, and primarily looking after their own best interests. obviously he knows these people are lousy humans and accepts them as such. he says in this interview, especially about John and Christine, that they got caught in the middle, where they didn't want to be.

Mick was the one doing Stevie's dirty work in interviews shoveling garbage all over LB during that sad mac cover tour. yes he and LB are all lovey-dovey these days.

the only person LB blamed for the whole situation was Stevie, and he is still saying the same now. Stevie waited to have enough clout to pull the power play on the rest of them, and once she got there, that's exactly what she did. i'm glad he has no problem telling it like it is now.

[Macfan4life]

Really enjoyed the interview and the honesty. Love that Lindsey went there with his true feelings. Stevie used to say how she would stand down or play it cool during Fleetwood Mac concerts as to not want to be the star. I was floored how Lindsey describes Stevie's jealousy at Lindsey's standing ovation during I'm So Afraid. Good grief, she was not even on the stage which some could say is disrespectful. Lindsey also points out what some dont want to accept in this forum is how profitable Stevie is. Her 24K Gold Tour was insanely profitable selling out huge arenas and extended 3 times. Clearly her success made her an ego-maniac. Lindsey did not say this part but it is my belief. Stevie went on with the Mac with Lindsey. When Christine came back suddenly the limelight was on Chris. This opened the wound for her to pay attention to Lindsey and it drove her insane.
One last note. If you saw Lindsey in concert you can see it in his face that he is telling the truth that he prefers to play in front of 2,000 people instead of 20,000. Also, shame on Christine for her horrible conduct and lame excuse (I just bought a house).

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by Macfan4life

Really enjoyed the interview and the honesty. Love that Lindsey went there with his true feelings. Stevie used to say how she would stand down or play it cool during Fleetwood Mac concerts as to not want to be the star. I was floored how Lindsey describes Stevie's jealousy at Lindsey's standing ovation during I'm So Afraid. Good grief, she was not even on the stage which some could say is disrespectful. Lindsey also points out what some dont want to accept in this forum is how profitable Stevie is. Her 24K Gold Tour was insanely profitable selling out huge arenas and extended 3 times. Clearly her success made her an ego-maniac. Lindsey did not say this part but it is my belief. Stevie went on with the Mac with Lindsey. When Christine came back suddenly the limelight was on Chris. This opened the wound for her to pay attention to Lindsey and it drove her insane.
One last note. If you saw Lindsey in concert you can see it in his face that he is telling the truth that he prefers to play in front of 2,000 people instead of 20,000. Also, shame on Christine for her horrible conduct and lame excuse (I just bought a house).

This. This. This.

All of this.

$tevie has become a horrible person. A complete egomaniac.

And Christine isn't much better. A terrible person to have as a friend. She'd throw you under the bus for a nickel.

[anusha]

I have mixed feelings about this interview. On the one hand, I’m glad that Lindsey is telling it like it is. But on the other hand, I think it has to be said that if he really wants closure and to end things on a good note with FM, talking about how Stevie was jealous of his spotlight in concert isn’t going to do it. (It feels salty in the same way his post-lawsuit press statements about how Stevie was jealous that he had a family and all she has is her career weren’t exactly mending fences).

I don’t think he and john were ever close. It seems like Mick is really the linchpin who kept everyone connected but they don’t have all that much genuine connection to each other than via Mick. As for Christine. She’s weak and we knew that. With Mick as the hub of the band, the McVies could either stay on the ride with Stevie, Neil and Mike or not be in FM. I think that Stevie could always tour solo, and they knew from the Eagles that a band without Lindsey would sell well anyway. So while it is gross and disappointing, honestly it’s not a surprise. They trashed Lindsey in the media during the BTM press too, so it’s not even the first time. Honestly, I doubt anyone in the band besides Mick actually *likes* Lindsey as a person, and over the years Lindsey hasn’t made it easy (though he deserved far better than he’s gotten).

I’m not saying Lindsey owes anyone in that band anything. I’d just as soon he tell all the tales and share what awful people they are. Then again, I don’t want the band to reunite and will never believe anything they do as a group is genuine except for their genuine desire to make money off of fans. But if his goal is reconciliation, sometimes he would he advised to hold his fire.

[Macfan4life]

Originally Posted by anusha

I have mixed feelings about this interview. On the one hand, I’m glad that Lindsey is telling it like it is. But on the other hand, I think it has to be said that if he really wants closure and to end things on a good note with FM, talking about how Stevie was jealous of his spotlight in concert isn’t going to do it. (It feels salty in the same way his post-lawsuit press statements about how Stevie was jealous that he had a family and all she has is her career weren’t exactly mending fences).

I don’t think he and john were ever close. It seems like Mick is really the linchpin who kept everyone connected but they don’t have all that much genuine connection to each other than via Mick. As for Christine. She’s weak and we knew that. With Mick as the hub of the band, the McVies could either stay on the ride with Stevie, Neil and Mike or not be in FM. I think that Stevie could always tour solo, and they knew from the Eagles that a band without Lindsey would sell well anyway. So while it is gross and disappointing, honestly it’s not a surprise. They trashed Lindsey in the media during the BTM press too, so it’s not even the first time. Honestly, I doubt anyone in the band besides Mick actually *likes* Lindsey as a person, and over the years Lindsey hasn’t made it easy (though he deserved far better than he’s gotten).

I’m not saying Lindsey owes anyone in that band anything. I’d just as soon he tell all the tales and share what awful people they are. Then again, I don’t want the band to reunite and will never believe anything they do as a group is genuine except for their genuine desire to make money off of fans. But if his goal is reconciliation, sometimes he would he advised to hold his fire.

I disagree. Lindsey has been quiet and taped his mouth shut for decades. When he left in 1987, he could have thrown Mick and Stevie under the bus for the reasons he was leaving. But he was not petty and just moved on.
I am happy that finally he speaks his mind. Did he do things to purposely annoy Stevie. Yes of course. Did she counter? Probably. They have always had this kind of tit for tat relationship. What changed? IMHO it was the jealousy Stevie had between Chris and Lindsey. They went and recorded without her and even toured without her. This is one of the few times the boss did not get her way. She controlled the band at every level. She gets the highest percentage of tour proceeds and sets the band's recording schedule of when she is free. Christine coming back suddenly they had interest in making new music. Stevie's reaction: NOT ON MY WATCH. Her ultimate revenge was not to just leave Fleetwood Mac. She could have done that and walked away. She went for the ultimate kill. She used the power she has in the band to tell Mick, its me or Lindsey. A Sophie's choice. Stevie realized Mick would cater to her because of money. If she really did not want to make new music or tour with the band she could have said "I'm going to sit this one out." But she came for the jugular.

[John Run]

I agree with what MacFan4Life writes. Lindsey speaking real and raw about his view of the demise of the Rumours era band is his prerogative, and by most rationale, past due. I also don't find it particularly inflammatory. I actually think for Stevie the issue was that she did not have as much control as she wanted or believed she was entitled to. Increasingly since 1997 Lindsey was the on stage leader of the band and drove the energy of the show. He already had been the studio leader of the band. As she said in 2013, Fleetwood Mac is a democracy, we all get a vote, but Lindsey gets two. That was likely figurative and not literal, but it is insight into her perception of Lindsey's power within the band. Then he produced a good album with 4/5 of Fleetwood Mac and mounted a tour with Christine that didn't include her. Yes, Fleetwood Mac could be a viable entity without her. Of course clearly not the cash machine without her. That's when her essential nature to the value of the franchise likely became obvious to her, she saw it as her path to assume control, and stick a knife into Lindsey for all the slights, real and perceived, that he had foisted upon her over the past 45 years.

Lindsey has now chose to peal away the BS and let the public know what motivates the most recent version of the band, which is keeping the touring machine (aka the income stream) going. For one go around most ticket buyers could have cared less if Lindsey was there. I still think the 2022 angle to one more cash run will be the return of Lindsey and the Rumours 5 and Lindsey will be a good little compliant soldier.

I do believe it's fan myth, particularly since the return of Christine, that Stevie got a bigger percentage of the touring revenues. The lawsuit filed by Lindsey and his attorneys make it pretty clear the 5 were equal financial partners. His demand for $12-14 million in lost touring income damages from the agreed upon dates, as well as an on going equal percentage of ancillary revenue streams is further evidence he was entitled to an equal income share. Stevie has talked in prior years that Lindsey made way more than everyone else. Likely this is from producer income, but still she could not have been gaining vastly higher touring income from band shows for that belief to have any factual relevance to her. His public net worth has been reported to be higher than Stevie's, though that could easily be incorrect information. Also a divorce settlement will reduce Lindsey's personal asset value, but that's another story.

This was all about control, mixed with a little revenge. Stevie saw the opportunity and seized it.

But in my opinion they will return on stage again no matter what you read and hear them saying about each other. These five people are very adept at sleeping with one another, hating each other, lying about, shunning and ignoring each other for years, only to find their way back to holding hands on a soundstage in Southern California. It is who they are and history repeats itself with them over and over.

[DownOnRodeo]

the infectious, propulsive pop of On the Wrong Side

"Infectious and propulsive pop" is not at all how I would describe the On the Wrong Side we know from the With Honors soundtrack. Must be a sped-up, reimagined approach to the same lyrics, or a completely new song altogether.

I'm impressed that the tracks were also mastered by Lindsey. I am yet to tire of I Don't Mind. Too bad the mastering of the Say You Will album wasn't left to Lindsey.

[GypsyVisions]

I liked that Lindsey said these things out loud, finally. Because if he wants to get back into Fleetwood Mac (and he does) then he has limited options. I don’t think catering to Stevie’s fantasy gaze or cowering to her “power” is going to work. I think Lindsey genuinely thinks that his last chance is to just be honest and hope Stevie hears what he says and accepts it. Yes, she is hard headed, to say the least. But you can’t blame him for wanting something enough for his legacy to let himself believe that maaaaybe he can still reach her with the truth. He wasn’t exactly mean in his comments. He was just honest. Stevie needs a reality check. Lindsey’s approach could work, fail, completely backfire or even worse. Who knows?

And it is such a relief to hear Lindsey acknowledge that albums don’t sell like they used to but that this is no reason to stop making art. That’s beautiful. He mentioned that he cut 2 songs this year (as of the time of the interview) so this tells me we are getting more Lindsey Buckingham music after the upcoming album.

[michelej1]

This is brutal in places. Thank you so much for sharing.

[UnwindedDreams]

Originally Posted by michelej1

This is brutal in places. Thank you so much for sharing.

Brutal is perfect to describe his answers. Grateful this was shared!

Also makes me think that they really were cowards for not even telling Lindsey they wanted him out then ghosted his emails and calls.