New Mick interview with Alec Baldwin

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

ETA: And Mick HAD heard the duo prior to wanting to ask LB to join. So he would have been aware of their harmonies and songwriting and all that. He still had planned to just ask LB to join until Keith Olsen advised him.

I don’t know that Mick was aware it was Lindsey singing or that he wrote songs. Per Olsen, he wanted “the guitarist from that band.” So, Mick may have been clueless to what Lindsey’s role in that was beyond the guitar solo.

And, no, the fact he wasn’t asked by himself isn’t a red herring. It’s actually a relevant point if people are trying to paint him as a loyal, noble partner for demanding she be included when he was never in a position where he had to make the demand.

[sue]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

I don’t know that Mick was aware it was Lindsey singing or that he wrote songs. Per Olsen, he wanted “the guitarist from that band.” So, Mick may have been clueless to what Lindsey’s role in that was beyond the guitar solo.

And, no, the fact he wasn’t asked by himself isn’t a red herring. It’s actually a relevant point if people are trying to paint him as a loyal, noble partner for demanding she be included when he was never in a position where he had to make the demand.

God, enough you’re giving me a headache, and I like you..

[UnwindedDreams]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

Mick may have been clueless to what Lindsey’s role in that was beyond the guitar solo.

Is Lindsey only playing electric and nothing else in Frozen Love? I thought he was unplugged as well

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams

Is Lindsey only playing electric and nothing else in Frozen Love? I thought he was unplugged as well

He probably played all the guitars on that by himself, but it was the solo that got Mick’s attention. He said in 1987 that it reminded him of Danny Kirwan.

Of course, Stevie changed that to Peter Green...

[bombaysaffires]

Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams

Is Lindsey only playing electric and nothing else in Frozen Love? I thought he was unplugged as well

Yes, Both.

[soul_drifter333]

I think that Waddy is credited with some guitar but I don't think that they specify which tracks he plays on and his brother did the cover that Stevie hated. Isn't there some slide guitar on a track? I haven't listen to it in ages but that would probably be Waddy contribution. I believe they were all friends around this time and Waddy was one of the ones sitting around getting high all day while Stevie was out "slaving" to make a living.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by soul_drifter333

I think that Waddy is credited with some guitar but I don't think that they specify which tracks he plays on and his brother did the cover that Stevie hated. Isn't there some slide guitar on a track? I haven't listen to it in ages but that would probably be Waddy contribution. I believe they were all friends around this time and Waddy was one of the ones sitting around getting high all day while Stevie was out "slaving" to make a living.

I’m pretty sure he did slide on the single version of Crying In The Night. Waddy was part of the live band, too.

[soul_drifter333]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

I’m pretty sure he did slide on the single version of Crying In The Night. Waddy was part of the live band, too.

I forgot about this pic. Stevie looks great here.

[bombaysaffires]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

I don’t know that Mick was aware it was Lindsey singing or that he wrote songs. Per Olsen, he wanted “the guitarist from that band.” So, Mick may have been clueless to what Lindsey’s role in that was beyond the guitar solo.

And, no, the fact he wasn’t asked by himself isn’t a red herring. It’s actually a relevant point if people are trying to paint him as a loyal, noble partner for demanding she be included when he was never in a position where he had to make the demand.

He was never put in a position to make the demand because people around him knew him well enough to know that if asked he WOULD do so. So they saved Mick the trouble by forewarning him... allowing Mick to consider whether he wanted Lindsey bad enough that he would take Stevie in order to get him. Clearly Mick decided he did want LB that much, and thus put through an offer to Lindsey designed to tip the balance towards Lindsey answering 'yes' ie, your girlfriend can come too.

[UnwindedDreams]

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

He was never put in a position to make the demand because people around him knew him well enough to know that if asked he WOULD do so. So they saved Mick the trouble by forewarning him... allowing Mick to consider whether he wanted Lindsey bad enough that he would take Stevie in order to get him. Clearly Mick decided he did want LB that much, and thus put through an offer to Lindsey designed to tip the balance towards Lindsey answering 'yes' ie, your girlfriend can come too.

Stevie, Lindsey, and Mick (not vocally) all participated in a retelling of the story on the Rumours 35 Tour where Lindsey said Mick called him and asked him to join. Lindsey said "If you take me, you've got to take my girlfriend too."

Stevie would do a happy dance on stage. Now I have no idea if Mick was ever able to hear any of this on stage while sitting at the cocktail kit

But now that story seems to be a fairytale!

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams

Stevie, Lindsey, and Mick (not vocally) all participated in a retelling of the story on the Rumours 35 Tour where Lindsey said Mick called him and asked him to join. Lindsey said "If you take me, you've got to take my girlfriend too."

Stevie would do a happy dance on stage. Now I have no idea if Mick was ever able to hear any of this on stage while sitting at the cocktail kit

But now that story seems to be a fairytale!

They do that with a lot of stories. They’re also bad about leaving out key details if it means a more romanticized version of the story. Like, when Mick met Billy in 1981 at a Dick Clark anniversary taping, Mick neglects to mention that Billy’s drummer was Ian Wallace, Jenny Boyd’s second husband.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

He was never put in a position to make the demand because people around him knew him well enough to know that if asked he WOULD do so. So they saved Mick the trouble by forewarning him... allowing Mick to consider whether he wanted Lindsey bad enough that he would take Stevie in order to get him. Clearly Mick decided he did want LB that much, and thus put through an offer to Lindsey designed to tip the balance towards Lindsey answering 'yes' ie, your girlfriend can come too.

Keith Olsen didn’t say it so Lindsey wouldn’t have to, he said it because that was the reality of the situation.

Give me one realistic scenario where Lindsey and Stevie were still a couple and he joined the band without her. If they hadn’t been together, Lindsey would have turned the band down because he didn’t want to be in Fleetwood Mac. But, Lindsey and Stevie were a couple and a musical partnership. Fleetwood Mac would have listened to the Buckingham Nicks album, become more aware of what Lindsey had been doing prior to joining, heard her songwriting and their harmonies, heard the potential she and Lindsey had together, all with her hanging around them in the studio with a producer who championed the two of them in the first place. There was never Homer’s “f**k that b***h” fantasy scenario, to be clear.

So this canonization of someone for doing something he didn’t do and really didn’t need to do is ridiculous. The only one who actually went out on a limb was Mick Fleetwood.


(With apologies to Sue.)

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

Keith Olsen didn’t say it so Lindsey wouldn’t have to, he said it because that was the reality of the situation.

Give me one realistic scenario where Lindsey and Stevie were still a couple and he joined the band without her. If they hadn’t been together, Lindsey would have turned the band down because he didn’t want to be in Fleetwood Mac. But, Lindsey and Stevie were a couple and a musical partnership. Fleetwood Mac would have listened to the Buckingham Nicks album, become more aware of what Lindsey had been doing prior to joining, heard her songwriting and their harmonies, heard the potential she and Lindsey had together, all with her hanging around them in the studio with a producer who championed the two of them in the first place. There was never Homer’s “f**k that b***h” fantasy scenario, to be clear.

So this canonization of someone for doing something he didn’t do and really didn’t need to do is ridiculous. The only one who actually went out on a limb was Mick Fleetwood.


(With apologies to Sue.)

This is torture.

That is all.

[bombaysaffires]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

This is torture.

That is all.

Deliberately so.

"Tortured logic is the name we use for an argument that is very complex, and takes the listener on a long trip with many twists and turns, and requires much concentration to arrive at a conclusion mostly due to its complexity."

"Tortured logic is when you have no true support for your argument, so you stretch the limits of logic to an extreme to do so."

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

Deliberately so.

"Tortured logic is the name we use for an argument that is very complex, and takes the listener on a long trip with many twists and turns, and requires much concentration to arrive at a conclusion mostly due to its complexity."

"Tortured logic is when you have no true support for your argument, so you stretch the limits of logic to an extreme to do so."

The only thing torturous is grown ass adults believing in something about as true as the Easter Bunny. You’re admiring the field of mushrooms and forgetting the pile of cow dung they’re growing out of. Lindsey saying he wouldn’t join without Stevie is every bit the load of crap as the big “Landslide” kiss on The Dance. It’s all BS. A staged, calculated, romanticized/fictionalized version of what really happened/who they are.

There was never a scenario where Lindsey joins Fleetwood Mac without Stevie while he and Stevie were still a couple that doesn’t end with her still joining the band. It was just as inevitable at that point as Christine joining Fleetwood Mac after Peter left.

Remember, we’re talking about the same woman who, at the height of her popularity and at the peak of her career, flew all over the world trying to get Tom Petty to put her in the Heartbreakers. If she was willing to put on that kind of pathetic display when she was one of the biggest rockstars in the world, can you imagine the scene she would have made at Sound City trying to get in a band that was doing everything she wanted to be doing that her boyfriend/musical partner with whom she’d made an album had just joined without her? At a minimum, she would have started cleaning John Mayall’s house in Laurel Canyon just for a character reference.

But, it likely wouldn’t have gotten to that point. It’s not like the band didn’t have a say in it, too. Listen to all of the albums from KH to HAHTF. Think of “Station Man,” “Morning Rain,” “Spare Me A Little,” “Remember Me,” “Dissatisfied,” “Believe Me,” “Just Crazy Love,” “Why,” “Heroes Are Hard To Find,” and “Come A Little Bit Closer.” What do you think the first thing Christine would have thought when she heard Buckingham Nicks?

Because, hate to break it to you, it wasn’t his guitar playing. She’d already played with Peter Green and Danny Kirwan. Lindsey’s a great guitarist, but he’s not at that level as a lead guitarist (which is why he didn’t want to join). No, the game changer for Christine was the harmonies. Plural.

Same for John, BTW.

So, let’s just dispel this glorified fan fiction that St. Lindsey, Lord of the Overdubs, high upon his horse, demanded that Stevie be included once and for all. She would have been in the band eventually anyway. It was really less Lindsey wouldn’t join without Stevie as it was you buy one, you buy both because that’s just how the Buckingham Nicks equation was.