New Mick interview with Alec Baldwin

[aleuzzi]

Good lord, as others have noted, one could split hairs or count how many angels can stand on the head of a pin, or whatever, but the bottom line is the ONLY reason Buckingham Nicks were even considered for FM is because of Buckingham. Stevie was part of the package, an accessory that turned out to be essential.

The fact that Christine was given the chance to decide their fate over margaritas later on further demonstrates how much of an after thought Stevie originally was: Mick sought out Lindsey and only learned Stevie was there. In his recollections, he never once mentions either of the pair’s voices when he heard “Frozen Love.” He was listening to the guitar. End of.

[UnwindedDreams]

Originally Posted by aleuzzi

The fact that Christine was given the chance to decide their fate over margaritas later on further demonstrates how much of an after thought Stevie originally was

Has Christine ever backed this up?
I think I remember Stevie or Mick saying that FM wanted to see how Christine and Stevie "would get along" at the Mexican restaurant dinner.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams

Has Christine ever backed this up?
I think I remember Stevie or Mick saying that FM wanted to see how Christine and Stevie "would get along" at the Mexican restaurant dinner.

In Dick's book(even though he's a card carrying LIAR), he does say that they got together to see if Chris and $tevie would get along, because nothing could be worse than if they didn't.

See, $tevie was humble and real, and not an complete egomaniac back then, so Chris liked her just fine. Hell, I LOVED her back then. Talk about someone doing a 180! I guess I mean me, as a result of her(180). $tevie and Homie - polar opposites!

[elle]

Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams

Has Christine ever backed this up?.

yep. many audio interviews. she talked how Stevie had a sense of humor she liked, so she thought it would work - or something like that.

this is a funny thread.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by aleuzzi

Good lord, as others have noted, one could split hairs or count how many angels can stand on the head of a pin, or whatever, but the bottom line is the ONLY reason Buckingham Nicks were even considered for FM is because of Buckingham. Stevie was part of the package, an accessory that turned out to be essential.

The fact that Christine was given the chance to decide their fate over margaritas later on further demonstrates how much of an after thought Stevie originally was: Mick sought out Lindsey and only learned Stevie was there. In his recollections, he never once mentions either of the pair’s voices when he heard “Frozen Love.” He was listening to the guitar. End of.

Exactly. Even the people who were there don't remember exact details, 46 years later. Claiming to know EXACTLY what happened is like claiming who did the last line of blow on any of those evenings.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by aleuzzi

but the bottom line is the ONLY reason Buckingham Nicks were even considered for FM is because of Buckingham. Stevie was part of the package, an accessory that turned out to be essential.

I don’t believe anyone argued otherwise. That’s the one constant.

Where I have an issue is this notion that Lindsey, out of loyalty to Stevie, bravely and nobly stuck his neck out to insist that she also be included when, by what Mick said in 1990 and Keith Olsen said in 2012, there’s no evidence that he was ever offered the gig without her.

Furthermore, Lindsey was apprehensive about giving up Buckingham Nicks to go play Peter Green songs. His instinct was to turn them down. Stevie, Olsen, and even Waddy have all said that they had to convince him, sometimes in hours long conversations, that joining Fleetwood Mac was in their best interest.

The fact that Christine was given the chance to decide their fate

See, that’s why I think the first call after Olsen was to Mickey Shapiro.

In his recollections, he never once mentions either of the pair’s voices when he heard “Frozen Love.” He was listening to the guitar. End of.

Which makes me wonder if Mick even knew if Lindsey was a singer-songwriter when he called Olsen. The first thing the band needed was a guitarist, but they also needed songwriting, since Bob Welch had about 2/3 of the songs on MTM and HAHTF. This is another reason why I think too much has been made of them “only wanting Lindsey.”

[SteveMacD]

Let’s just hypothetically say Lindsey alone was asked to join the band and he agreed joined, without Stevie.

The first thing stands out to me is that Buckingham Nicks made an album. Once the Brits eventually heard it, of course they would have heard the immediate potential of having those harmonies in their music. It’s not as if Fleetwood Mac’s songs didn’t have a lot of harmonies already, especially Christine’s songs. Wouldn’t adding even more complex harmonies to the songs make them even better? Also, wasn’t the remake of “Crystal” John’s idea?

If that didn’t happen, Keith Olsen was the one who encouraged them to leave Fritz and become a duo. It’s like he saw them as a singular entity that couldn’t be separated. At some point in the recording, I have no doubt that he’d suggest to Lindsey that Stevie’s harmony would add a lot of dimension to the chorus here or there.

If neither of those happened, do you really think Stevie wouldn’t have been hanging out in the studio all up everyone’s ass trying to weasel her way in the band? Like, when Christine and Lindsey would be working on harmonies that she wouldn’t have just started singing along? Or that she wouldn’t have been flirty with Mick? Or that she and Christine wouldn’t have gone out for girl talk over tea?

So, this notion that Lindsey could have just joined without Stevie is pretty unrealistic.

[HomerMcvie]

There's a reason I've never married...

[UnwindedDreams]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

Where I have an issue is this notion that Lindsey, out of loyalty to Stevie, bravely and nobly stuck his neck out to insist that she also be included when, by what Mick said in 1990 and Keith Olsen said in 2012, there’s no evidence that he was ever offered the gig without her.

I'm not disagreeing with anything you said in this quote. I just want to share that what Mick said in this new interview that I created this thread to post, Mick offers what I put in bold type above. So I'm wondering if that's to kind of get future cordiality with Lindsey in the "public record"

I'm not soliciting a reply either. I'm just curious why Mick is speaking this way. Maybe he's just feeling high on life with his recording rights sale!

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams

I'm not disagreeing with anything you said in this quote. I just want to share that what Mick said in this new interview that I created this thread to post, Mick offers what I put in bold type above. So I'm wondering if that's to kind of get future cordiality with Lindsey in the "public record"

I'm not soliciting a reply either. I'm just curious why Mick is speaking this way. Maybe he's just feeling high on life with his recording rights sale!

Christine in several interviews states, "Well we only wanted the guitar player, ya know. But Lindsey said, well we're a package deal. So it was up to me if I would get on with another girl. So I said, let me meet her. Turns out that we were so unalike, that we go on well."
obviously paraphrasing

[UnwindedDreams]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

Christine in several interviews states, "Well we only wanted the guitar player, ya know. But Lindsey said, well we're a package deal. So it was up to me if I would get on with another girl. So I said, let me meet her. Turns out that we were so unalike, that we go on well."
obviously paraphrasing

Well I trust you because you were a table across having the flautas with mole, right?

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams

I'm not disagreeing with anything you said in this quote. I just want to share that what Mick said in this new interview that I created this thread to post, Mick offers what I put in bold type above. So I'm wondering if that's to kind of get future cordiality with Lindsey in the "public record"

I'm not soliciting a reply either. I'm just curious why Mick is speaking this way. Maybe he's just feeling high on life with his recording rights sale!

Wouldn’t surprise me if there was some fence mending and wheel greasing going on between Mick and Lindsey.

Fleetwood Mac has already said no more large tours. Given Christine will be 78 and the virus has delayed any plans they had by at least a year and a half, it’s hard to imagine we’ll see much, if anything, from Fleetwood Mac again. I’m not saying it’s impossible, but it’s unlikely.

Mending fences is in their mutual interests. Mick is a drummer whose band likely played its last show and Lindsey is an artist who would greatly benefit from having the “Fleetwood” brand associated with his new music. The difference in album and concert ticket sales between “Lindsey Buckingham” and “Fleetwood Buckingham” (for example) would be significant.

[UnwindedDreams]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

Fleetwood Mac has already said no more large tours. Given Christine will be 78 and the virus has delayed any plans they had by at least a year and a half, it’s hard to imagine we’ll see much, if anything, from Fleetwood Mac again. I’m not saying it’s impossible, but it’s unlikely.

78 is the new 50. President is 78, Jagger's 78, Bab's is 78, Debbie Harry and Patti Smith are up there too. I do recall hearing Christine may have arthritis though. She can shake the maracas.
Just expanding on Fleetwood Mac plans, I think Stevie told them in December 2019 that she needed two years away from FM to do her Rhiannon series and another solo tour (per Campbell). I still think FM would come out to do new entertainment facility openings but I doubt an album would happen ever again. Neil seems devoted to solidifying the new lineup of CH and Mike really wants Dirty Knobs to do the starting group bus tour and work their way up to bigger rooms.

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

Mending fences is in their mutual interests. Mick is a drummer whose band likely played its last show and Lindsey is an artist who would greatly benefit from having the “Fleetwood” brand associated with his new music. The difference in album and concert ticket sales between “Lindsey Buckingham” and “Fleetwood Buckingham” (for example) would be significant.

I agree. I also think a tour called Mick Fleetwood Band and Lindsey Buckingham would not only be a delicious treat, but would generate more hype than just Mick Fleetwood (Blues) Band feat. Rick Vito In Concert at the Belly Up or An Evening with Lindsey Buckingham at Town Hall would.

*I'm not sure if Rick Vito gets mentioned in a marquee way when he's with MFBB but he's not on the cover of my Blue Again cd that Mick signed for me at Barnes and Noble.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams

78 is the new 50. President is 78,


I think Stevie told them in December 2019 that she needed two years away from FM to do her Rhiannon series



*I'm not sure if Rick Vito gets mentioned in a marquee way when he's with MFBB

Not when your voices are all but gone. None of them have much of a singing voice these days.

Is $he STILL talking about her little Rhiannon cartoon, or whatever the f*ck it is? $he's been talking about that for 45 f*cking YEARS. $he's nuttier than a squirrel turd!

Rick is a great guitarist and a great guy, but I'm sorry to say, his name doesn't draw many people. I've gone to see him at blues clubs in Nashville, and can sit at the table right in front of him. I've tagged him in pictures and he's shared my pics the next morning. Again, great guy, but not a seat filler. For such an iconic band, it's a damned shame that one old goat seems to be the only seat filler.

[johnnystorms]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

Not when your voices are all but gone. None of them have much of a singing voice these days.

Is $he STILL talking about her little Rhiannon cartoon, or whatever the f*ck it is? $he's been talking about that for 45 f*cking YEARS. $he's nuttier than a squirrel turd!

Rick is a great guitarist and a great guy, but I'm sorry to say, his name doesn't draw many people. I've gone to see him at blues clubs in Nashville, and can sit at the table right in front of him. I've tagged him in pictures and he's shared my pics the next morning. Again, great guy, but not a seat filler. For such an iconic band, it's a damned shame that one old goat seems to be the only seat filler.

It's not a 'damned shame'. Stevie is a charismatic, kind superstar. I met her on her Timespace tour at the airport in Houston. I was google eyed and stammering in the bookstore... and my friend convinced me to follow her to her gate. I asked for a picture and her handlers said no. She said 'a picture?' i nodded and she brushed past her people and posed for a pic with me.