Brett Tuggle Dishes the details to Rolling Stone

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by soul_drifter333

I also wonder how Mike could have so easily jumped in Lindsey's place and how he would have felt if he had been fired from the Heartbreakers and replaced so easily. No shame for these people.

They didn’t tell Mike that they fired Lindsey. Still, let’s say they had and he turned them down, Fleetwood Mac would still have gotten someone else, probably Rick Vito.

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

They didn’t tell Mike that they fired Lindsey. Still, let’s say they had and he turned them down, Fleetwood Mac would still have gotten someone else, probably Rick Vito.

I'd bet everything that Mick and Nicks told MC that Lindsey left.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

I'd bet everything that Mick and Nicks told MC that Lindsey left.

So you're saying that not only is $tevie a liar, but Mick is too?

Shirley you jest!

[elle]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

They didn’t tell Mike that they fired Lindsey. Still, let’s say they had and he turned them down, Fleetwood Mac would still have gotten someone else, probably Rick Vito.

is that what Mike said in that one interview when he praised Lindsey?

[bombaysaffires]

I love her saying how Tom's first wife Jane said that, aside from her (as his wife), Stevie was Tom's best friend.

Now, I wonder how people like say, oh, Mike Campbell feel about that? Or his assistant, Bugs, who in Tom's bio is unanimously cited as being the one person who went through EVERYTHING with Tom and knew all his secrets and never, ever betrayed them.

And it's interesting that it was his FIRST wife who said that... wonder what his current wife would think about that. I"m betting she feels like SHE herself was closer to Tom than either his first wife OR Stevie. Just sayin'.

Despit her self-aggrandizing delusions about feminism, she absolutely has lived most of her life according to the traditional gender roles that were in place when she was born in the 1940s and growing up in the 1950s. She still feels like men are the ones with power and therefore are the ones she wants to align herself with, emulate, and charm into letting her into their club. And she can flirt and get them to help her do the hard stuff, because she doesn't ever want to do the heavy lifting.

I love her comment about how those at the top of the success ladder are a very small, exclusive tribe, and how really she can only turn to and be understood by someone else who is at the top, breathing the rarified air she breathes.

Oy. The ego is so very strong with this one.

[jmn3]

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

I love her comment about how those at the top of the success ladder are a very small, exclusive tribe, and how really she can only turn to and be understood by someone else who is at the top, breathing the rarified air she breathes.

I found this part of her recording to be sad. She's in her damn 70's and still feels "lonely at the top." One, let's face it, in 2020, despite her continued popularity, she ain't at the damn top anymore. She hasn't been at the top in decades. Two, I think it sounds awfully pathetic that at 72 years old, she lacks the relationships with other humans who don't know what it's like to breathe that rarified air. She doesn't have anyone to turn to because they can't understand. This is right in that vein of why Mr. Stevie Nicks could never happen because no 'regular' man could ever 'accept' her world. This is where Lindsey wins at the game of life, despite record or concert ticket sales or the ability to control Fleetwood Mac. It's not just about having a spouse or children either. You can have real, meaningful relationships with people you aren't married to or their parent. Just because she's famous, she can only really open up to people also in that world? My God, she's like an old white lady Kardashian.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by jmn3

I found this part of her recording to be sad. She's in her damn 70's and still feels "lonely at the top." One, let's face it, in 2020, despite her continued popularity, she ain't at the damn top anymore. She hasn't been at the top in decades. Two, I think it sounds awfully pathetic that at 72 years old, she lacks the relationships with other humans who don't know what it's like to breathe that rarified air. She doesn't have anyone to turn to because they can't understand. This is right in that vein of why Mr. Stevie Nicks could never happen because no 'regular' man could ever 'accept' her world. This is where Lindsey wins at the game of life, despite record or concert ticket sales or the ability to control Fleetwood Mac. It's not just about having a spouse or children either. You can have real, meaningful relationships with people you aren't married to or their parent. Just because she's famous, she can only really open up to people also in that world? My God, she's like an old white lady Kardashian.

She's a miserable POS. I sometimes wonder if she knows that, deep inside.

[jmn3]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

She's a miserable POS. I sometimes wonder if she knows that, deep inside.

A true narcissist typically does not know that.

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by jmn3

A true narcissist typically does not know that.

Especially, when she lies so much to herself and the media.

[David]

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

Despit her self-aggrandizing delusions about feminism, she absolutely has lived most of her life according to the traditional gender roles that were in place when she was born in the 1940s and growing up in the 1950s. She still feels like men are the ones with power and therefore are the ones she wants to align herself with, emulate, and charm into letting her into their club. And she can flirt and get them to help her do the hard stuff, because she doesn't ever want to do the heavy lifting.

I concur. Stevie’s feminism seems to be a function (or even result) of her worldwide success rather than a driver of it. I was thinking about a very different rocker, Chrissie Hynde, whose feminism drove her success — it spurred it. Hynde’s attitude was always self-assertion in order to get some result; Stevie’s was to bend in some way to men (other sings, producers, the men in her family) to stroke them and generate some response that she desired. Far be it from me to say that one approach is better or worse than another, but Stevie is definitely different from someone very different, like Hynde.

https://youtu.be/LWaZGmgjDjg?t=171

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by David

I concur. Stevie’s feminism seems to be a function (or even result) of her worldwide success rather than a driver of it. I was thinking about a very different rocker, Chrissie Hynde, whose feminism drove her success — it spurred it. Hynde’s attitude was always self-assertion in order to get some result; Stevie’s was to bend in some way to men (other sings, producers, the men in her family) to stroke them and generate some response that she desired. Far be it from me to say that one approach is better or worse than another, but Stevie is definitely different from someone very different, like Hynde.

https://youtu.be/LWaZGmgjDjg?t=171

Absolutely. I do indeed remember all the MTV interviews with Hynde. CH came off as someone with an agenda. Stevie was busy being rock royalty. I don't fault her for that. I was fascinated by her and Christine. But to say Stevie was a pioneer for women? Maybe by default.

[Justin Reach]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

Absolutely. I do indeed remember all the MTV interviews with Hynde. CH came off as someone with an agenda. Stevie was busy being rock royalty. I don't fault her for that. I was fascinated by her and Christine. But to say Stevie was a pioneer for women? Maybe by default.

I'd say there's a bigger argument for saying that Christine was a pioneer for women, especially when she was one of the few women involved in the blues scene in the late 60's/early 70's.

[sue]

Originally Posted by Justin Reach

I'd say there's a bigger argument for saying that Christine was a pioneer for women, especially when she was one of the few women involved in the blues scene in the late 60's/early 70's.

I think your right, the British blues scene in the 6O’s was very much a male world, with very few women, Christine did more than just hold her own.
I think she calls a spade a spade and is very down to earth, straight talking.

It may be different in The USA,( you would see more of her)...but I’ve never thought of Stevie as a feminist, using your feminine charms to get your way, is not feminism...

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by elle

is that what Mike said in that one interview when he praised Lindsey?

He said it in an interview after the tour, IIRC.

Honestly, though, I don’t think anything would have changed either way. Fleetwood Mac wouldn’t have brought back Lindsey if Mike passed on them, they would have just found someone else. Fleetwood Mac needed a guitarist, there was no chance they were asking Lindsey back, and Mike didn’t have anything significant on the horizon. Why wouldn’t he take the gig?

[elle]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

He said it in an interview after the tour, IIRC.

Honestly, though, I don’t think anything would have changed either way. Fleetwood Mac wouldn’t have brought back Lindsey if Mike passed on them, they would have just found someone else. Fleetwood Mac needed a guitarist, there was no chance they were asking Lindsey back, and Mike didn’t have anything significant on the horizon. Why wouldn’t he take the gig?

hard to tell. there were some theories at the time that they knew / made sure Mike was on board before they ousted Lindsey.

also, there were many theories at the time that they hoped Mike would be able to actually replace Lindsey. then they figured out he cannot and they have to find a guy who can sing Lindsey's FM songs too.

which is weird in itself, if they were going for a full-on coup, they should have just not cover Lindsey's songs, like they only covered Don't Stop of Christine's which was easy since Lindsey was sharing lead with Christine there anyway. i guess it was azoff-style coup.