Brett Tuggle Dishes the details to Rolling Stone

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by soul_drifter333

Are you saying they're dysfunctional?

If you go back to Christine's film, "Fleetwood Mac's Songbird". They asked her what's changed in 15 years. She chuckles and says something about Stevie and Lindsey are still tearing each other apart limb for limb. She also said it in her Ken Bruce interview before she officially came back. She talked of Races are Run and how tight Stevie and Lindsey are musically. Then she laughed and said, "Not in any other way, these days." (2013)

I know that during the Dance she was tired of them constantly fighting. Touring with Stevie throwing her power around must have been exhausting. And Lindsey was the director who was trying to put the show together. I think he brought out the best of the 5 of them on The Dance tour. After Christine left, I think Lindsey didn't have any support because Stevie threw her weight around and Mick sides with her. John doesn't care.

He's always helped her career, and she's always used her fame to pummel him. That's my opinion. I mean Silver Springs with Neil would be way better than The Dance version! Don't you think?

[soul_drifter333]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

If you go back to Christine's film, "Fleetwood Mac's Songbird". They asked her what's changed in 15 years. She chuckles and says something about Stevie and Lindsey are still tearing each other apart limb for limb. She also said it in her Ken Bruce interview before she officially came back. She talked of Races are Run and how tight Stevie and Lindsey are musically. Then she laughed and said, "Not in any other way, these days." (2013)

I know that during the Dance she was tired of them constantly fighting. Touring with Stevie throwing her power around must have been exhausting. And Lindsey was the director who was trying to put the show together. I think he brought out the best of the 5 of them on The Dance tour. After Christine left, I think Lindsey didn't have any support because Stevie threw her weight around and Mick sides with her. John doesn't care.

He's always helped her career, and she's always used her fame to pummel him. That's my opinion. I mean Silver Springs with Neil would be way better than The Dance version! Don't you think?

When you think about it they had a nice run. You have 4 (minus John) alphas with completely different personalities, vying for power and control, and achieving unimageable fame, wealth, and adulation. Add excessive drug and alcohol abuse and broken personal relationships and it's amazing they stayed together and achieved what they did. If they could only go back to pre 1976 and remember what they were really like and try to be a little more humble about where they are currently. All of them, especially Mick and Stevie, act like they deserve the wealth and adulation that they have instead of really appreciating it. To say it has gone to all of their heads would be an understatement.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by soul_drifter333

All of them, especially Mick and Stevie, act like they deserve the wealth and adulation that they have instead of really appreciating it. To say it has gone to all of their heads would be an understatement.

That’s hardly new, though. Bob Welch said how they (Mick, John, and Christine) were on some type of mystical quest, as if by appointment to Her Majesty in a 1994 BBC special.

https://youtu.be/XXcKxJBBDYU

Stevie and Lindsey had that, too.

[jeets2000]

This seems relevant, given our never-ending discussions here about what went wrong and why: someone put together a brief video for Stevie that aired last night during the Tom Petty 70th birthday celebration (which was great, btw).

https://twitter.com/Nickslive/status...30251455721472

At about the 0:53 mark in this video, she admits Petty was her "moral compass." A surprising moment of self-awareness from someone who has struggled mightily with that in recent years. May help explain (though never justify) some of her behavior of late.

She also uses this video to, by using others' words, claim she was Tom Petty's best friend and a "premiere" songwriter. I'm not saying she wasn't/isn't either of those things. Just feels like poor taste to shoehorn in things like that in a remembrance video. But... that's our gal.

[soul_drifter333]

Originally Posted by jeets2000

This seems relevant, given our never-ending discussions here about what went wrong and why: someone put together a brief video for Stevie that aired last night during the Tom Petty 70th birthday celebration (which was great, btw).

https://twitter.com/Nickslive/status...30251455721472

At about the 0:53 mark in this video, she admits Petty was her "moral compass." A surprising moment of self-awareness from someone who has struggled mightily with that in recent years. May help explain (though never justify) some of her behavior of late.

She also uses this video to, by using others' words, claim she was Tom Petty's best friend and a "premiere" songwriter. I'm not saying she wasn't/isn't either of those things. Just feels like poor taste to shoehorn in things like that in a remembrance video. But... that's our gal.

I wonder what Tom's advice would have been to her when she contemplated firing Lindsey? I also wonder how Mike could have so easily jumped in Lindsey's place and how he would have felt if he had been fired from the Heartbreakers and replaced so easily. No shame for these people.

[jmn3]

In the case of Petty, I truly do believe that her words are sincere (albeit with a touch of self-congratulatory tone that she always does...at least she didn’t mention the Hall of Fame). I have no idea if Tom would’ve considered Stevie his best friend but it wouldn’t surprise me that she’d consider him one of her closest male friends. Didn’t he comment that she always insisted on being in his life. Almost like he liked her but not nearly as much as her clinger self liked him.

I will say that I’ve long felt that if Barbara Nicks and Tom Petty were still alive, the whole Lindsey firing fiasco wouldn’t have happened. She truly does have nobody around her who will tell her the truth and not be yes-men. When all of your friends and family are on your payroll, they aren’t going to risk the gravy train. Mike Campbells availability aside, I think Tom would’ve had some remarks for Stevie and how foolish firing Lindsey would be.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by jmn3

I will say that I’ve long felt that if Barbara Nicks and Tom Petty were still alive, the whole Lindsey firing fiasco wouldn’t have happened. She truly does have nobody around her who will tell her the truth and not be yes-men. When all of your friends and family are on your payroll, they aren’t going to risk the gravy train. Mike Campbells availability aside, I think Tom would’ve had some remarks for Stevie and how foolish firing Lindsey would be.

THIS.

Spot on.

$he has NO ONE to set her straight now. Just ego gone wild.

[elle]

Originally Posted by jmn3

I will say that I’ve long felt that if Barbara Nicks and Tom Petty were still alive, the whole Lindsey firing fiasco wouldn’t have happened. She truly does have nobody around her who will tell her the truth and not be yes-men. When all of your friends and family are on your payroll, they aren’t going to risk the gravy train. Mike Campbells availability aside, I think Tom would’ve had some remarks for Stevie and how foolish firing Lindsey would be.

definitely. those were people who were not yes people and not afraid to say what they mean. the only other one was somewhat Lindsey, but with all the 50-year baggage between them, that was the part that she also wanted to get rid off. just yes-people from then on. which is so visible in her recent interviews. i even cringe for her how self-aggrandizing and completely narcissistic she sounds. she dumps on many others too, not even just Lindsey anymore - dumps on Gaga, Madonna, Miley (incidentally mostly women who were more successful than her in the same line of business) while elevates herself into being a best friend of men who are more successful then her in the business. it's bizarre.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by soul_drifter333

I also wonder how Mike could have so easily jumped in Lindsey's place and how he would have felt if he had been fired from the Heartbreakers and replaced so easily. No shame for these people.

They didn’t tell Mike that they fired Lindsey. Still, let’s say they had and he turned them down, Fleetwood Mac would still have gotten someone else, probably Rick Vito.

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

They didn’t tell Mike that they fired Lindsey. Still, let’s say they had and he turned them down, Fleetwood Mac would still have gotten someone else, probably Rick Vito.

I'd bet everything that Mick and Nicks told MC that Lindsey left.

[elle]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

They didn’t tell Mike that they fired Lindsey. Still, let’s say they had and he turned them down, Fleetwood Mac would still have gotten someone else, probably Rick Vito.

is that what Mike said in that one interview when he praised Lindsey?

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by soul_drifter333

When you think about it they had a nice run. You have 4 (minus John) alphas with completely different personalities, vying for power and control, and achieving unimageable fame, wealth, and adulation. Add excessive drug and alcohol abuse and broken personal relationships and it's amazing they stayed together and achieved what they did. If they could only go back to pre 1976 and remember what they were really like and try to be a little more humble about where they are currently. All of them, especially Mick and Stevie, act like they deserve the wealth and adulation that they have instead of really appreciating it. To say it has gone to all of their heads would be an understatement.

I wouldn’t call Christine an Alpha.

[elle]

Originally Posted by soul_drifter333

All of them, especially Mick and Stevie, act like they deserve the wealth and adulation that they have instead of really appreciating it. To say it has gone to all of their heads would be an understatement.

that's what i also love about Lindsey - he doesn't. in almost every recent interview he says how lucky he and they all were, to have made it. he has been very humble. he may recognize his own talent, but many other people are hugely talented too, yet they never make it. it's refreshing to hear him being down to earth.

he's aware, unlike at least Mick and Stevie who both always act like it's somehow their right to be rich and successful.