Brett Tuggle Dishes the details to Rolling Stone

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by elle

exactly.

which is apparently why some people all of the sudden crawled out of the woodwork and started posting again, to try to muddy the issue by throwing out some painfully strained selective arguments.

Why anyone would condone, worship, or argue for her is beyond me. Brett confirming most of what we already knew saddens me.

[mitzo]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

Why anyone would condone, worship, or argue for her is beyond me. Brett confirming most of what we already knew saddens me.

I don't think people here are condoning, worshiping, or arguing for her. They are indifferent to the firing and to Lindsey in general. Notice that they are not using particularly emotional language in discussing it.

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by mitzo

I don't think people here are condoning, worshiping, or arguing for her. They are indifferent to the firing and to Lindsey in general. Notice that they are not using particularly emotional language in discussing it.

Agreed, there should be no emotion when discussing FMac.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

Agreed, there should be no emotion when discussing FMac.

Hey JB, you KNOW that $tevie is the most popular member, right?

Good. Just checking!!!

[Macfan4life]

I posted a 1994 Street Angel interview (in the Stevie forum) with Stevie that I found very interesting. She is off drugs and very clear and actually proud of Street Angel (May 1994).
$tevie claims the rest of the band was jealous of her solo career and never complimented her on it. How Lindsey never listened to Bella Donna, etc.

OMG, does anyone really believe Stevie listened to Go Insane or Christine McVie. How come she never complimented her fellow Mac members on their solo careers. Why do they have to compliment her only. Ego? Or was it because she was more successful and feels they should be drooling over her.
Another point she wont bring up is how much she got paid touring with the Mac. After the solo tours and especially 1987, 1990, and 1997 and beyond, $tevie made so much more than the rest of the members. How come she never insisted on equal treatment in the band that made her famous. Good grief, I could see why the band never mentioned her solo career with that kind of attitude.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by Macfan4life

I posted a 1994 Street Angel interview (in the Stevie forum) with Stevie that I found very interesting. She is off drugs and very clear and actually proud of Street Angel (May 1994).
$tevie claims the rest of the band was jealous of her solo career and never complimented her on it. How Lindsey never listened to Bella Donna, etc.

OMG, does anyone really believe Stevie listened to Go Insane or Christine McVie. How come she never complimented her fellow Mac members on their solo careers. Why do they have to compliment her only. Ego? Or was it because she was more successful and feels they should be drooling over her.
Another point she wont bring up is how much she got paid touring with the Mac. After the solo tours and especially 1987, 1990, and 1997 and beyond, $tevie made so much more than the rest of the members. How come she never insisted on equal treatment in the band that made her famous. Good grief, I could see why the band never mentioned her solo career with that kind of attitude.

I love you for always being the voice of reason.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by Macfan4life

I posted a 1994 Street Angel interview (in the Stevie forum) with Stevie that I found very interesting. She is off drugs and very clear and actually proud of Street Angel (May 1994).
$tevie claims the rest of the band was jealous of her solo career and never complimented her on it. How Lindsey never listened to Bella Donna, etc.

OMG, does anyone really believe Stevie listened to Go Insane or Christine McVie. How come she never complimented her fellow Mac members on their solo careers. Why do they have to compliment her only. Ego? Or was it because she was more successful and feels they should be drooling over her.
Another point she wont bring up is how much she got paid touring with the Mac. After the solo tours and especially 1987, 1990, and 1997 and beyond, $tevie made so much more than the rest of the members. How come she never insisted on equal treatment in the band that made her famous. Good grief, I could see why the band never mentioned her solo career with that kind of attitude.

I take everything she said in 1994 with a pound of salt. The emotional floodgates were fully opened after eight years of being on a tranquilizer. Remember how the band scared her? (John was the only one who publicly said anything about it, and it was priceless.)

Still, their lack of support for her solo career and Mick not giving her Silver Springs for her solo compilation were complete BS. Mick appeared on TWH and her Red Rocks “concert” video, and WB had control over how that version of Silver Springs was released, not Mick, and she knew that. Stevie was free to record a new version of the song, which she also knew.

The real reason was probably because her management though staying in Fleetwood Mac without Christine or Lindsey would hurt her career, her brand. (I think she should have made Mick, John, Billy, and Rick the core of her solo band and billed as something like “Stevie Nicks featuring Fleetwood Mac” and she’d be the boss.)

[Macfan4life]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

I take everything she said in 1994 with a pound of salt. The emotional floodgates were fully opened after eight years of being on a tranquilizer. Remember how the band scared her? (John was the only one who publicly said anything about it, and it was priceless.)

Still, their lack of support for her solo career and Mick not giving her Silver Springs for her solo compilation were complete BS. Mick appeared on TWH and her Red Rocks “concert” video, and WB had control over how that version of Silver Springs was released, not Mick, and she knew that. Stevie was free to record a new version of the song, which she also knew.

The real reason was probably because her management though staying in Fleetwood Mac without Christine or Lindsey would hurt her career, her brand. (I think she should have made Mick, John, Billy, and Rick the core of her solo band and billed as something like “Stevie Nicks featuring Fleetwood Mac” and she’d be the boss.)

OMG really?

Stevie played hardball and left the band after 1990. She came crawling back to the band when her solo career tanked. Street Angel went cardboard and she was playing theaters and the Ohio Fair. She also was touring on a bus....something she never did in her solo career before.
Why would you disbelieve what she is saying? She has always hinted how awkward her solo career was with the Mac. So she is being honest in how she believes they felt. Why do they need to compliment her and not vice versa? We heard the Mirage tour rehearsals where Lindsey was playing Edge of 17 and they even played Leather and Lace. Stevie even brought her solo songs into the Mac set. Is that NOT the biggest compliment? Or should they just bow their heads and keep telling her how wonderful she is over and over? Better yet....how about a bed of roses as she walks on stage.

$tevie needs to be honest. This outrage that came out of her throwing down threats to leave the band or to fire Lindsey were spawned by Buckingham/McVie. She refused to take part in a new Fleetwood Mac album. The band recorded something without her and it drove her crazy. The band did something for once without her blessing. How come Stevie never commented on how good the Buck/Vie album was. Lindsey should have went to one of her concerts on the 24k Gold tour and put a copy outside her dressing room door. Then Lindsey could have cried to the press how Stevie never played it and never praised his work outside the band

[elle]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

Agreed, there should be no emotion when discussing FMac.

yep. they are no-drama-no-emotion band. never built their career on emotional response to their albums.

no fans ever discussed their private lives, felt or sided with one or the other band member.

(i wish that was not the case.)

[elle]

Originally Posted by mitzo

I don't think people here are condoning, worshiping, or arguing for her. They are indifferent to the firing and to Lindsey in general. Notice that they are not using particularly emotional language in discussing it.

you must have like 80% of people on The Ledge blocked if that's what you see in the posts here.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by elle

you must have like 80% of people on The Ledge blocked if that's what you see in the posts here.

Hmm...

So, you’re saying that the majority don’t want to hear from a particular person’s views on something and find it easier just to go into radio silence?

How ironic.

[mitzo]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

Hmm...

So, you’re saying that the majority don’t want to hear from a particular person’s views on something and find it easier just to go into radio silence?

How ironic.

What I meant was that those who appear to support Stevie here are not necessarily worshipping her nor do they hate Lindsey etc. They just don't have much feeling about the firing.

[bwboy]

Originally Posted by mitzo

What I meant was that those who appear to support Stevie here are not necessarily worshipping her nor do they hate Lindsey etc. They just don't have much feeling about the firing.

Yes, that's how I feel. Just because I still like FM doesn't mean I'm happy they kicked him out. Just like I didn't hate Lindsey when he quit the band. I like the band because I love their music, and that's not going to change over people coming and going. I'm going to love Go Your Own Way, Crystal, and As Long As You Follow no matter what the band does.

Saying that Stevie is having a pretty remarkable past few years is accurate, I think. But if someone hates her now, then my comments are elevated to "you must have a shrine to her." It couldn't just be that it's impressive to me she's been inducted twice in the RRHOF, or that she's got a concert playing in theaters for 2 nights, it's that I worship her. I would be equally as impressed if it were Christine or Lindsey that had those accomplishments, especially one on top of the other. And that would be awesome if those things did happen to them. I'll probably see Lindsey live again, depending on Covid, and I'm happy he has a new CD ready to be released. I'm holding him to his promise that he'll performed Countdown, too LOL! I still have a couple of great songs recorded on my cell phone from his concert 2 years ago, I was lucky to be so close.

[David]

Originally Posted by bwboy

Saying that Stevie is having a pretty remarkable past few years is accurate, I think.

Yes, she is. Her career — her public profile in general — seems to have a second, a third, and a fourth wind. On that level, she’s really remarkable. On an artistic level, she can still pull a passionate vocal (like the latest JFK thing) or somehow tap into the current collective spirit. She has always managed to do this, even during the times (like the early 1990s) when she was the target of so much ridicule in the wider culture. She is a pop phoenix, and you should never say, “This, finally, is the end of Stevie Nicks.” She comes back to bite you. People — even other celebrities — who wrote her off in 1980 or 1985 or 1995 wind up looking like shortsighted fools. Remember the artist she was in those tiny Polaroids on the Rumours insert, in her black chiffon, when she figured out such a cool way to combine English gothic romanticism and 1960s psychedelic rock? How many people thought she’d still be a force in pop in 2020? Is she the artist I wish she were? Nope. Is she durable and beloved? Yep.