Brett Tuggle Dishes the details to Rolling Stone

[michelej1]

I remember going to a Lindsey show, not sure where but I think Orange county. His 2 kids came onstage and he asked Kristin where Stella was and she said Stella was asleep and Brett went back stage and he brought Stella out. I guess he woke her up. She was about 3. So cute.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by jmn3

And even so, given that SHE DELAYED A FLEETWOOD MAC TOUR HERSELF IN 2012 FOR HER SOLO WORK, the hypocrisy is as thick as mud. Why is it okay for Stevie to delay a tour and not Lindsey? Where is that question thrown back at her? What would her answer be?

Barbara Nicks died on December 28, 2011. Can anyone blame her for not being ready to jump back into the drama that is Fleetwood Mac that soon after her mother died? Mick’s Playboy interview was just 80 days later.

[jmn3]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

Barbara Nicks died on December 28, 2011. Can anyone blame her for not being ready to jump back into the drama that is Fleetwood Mac that soon after her mother died? Mick’s Playboy interview was just 80 days later.

It's not like she was in a period of mourning and not working at all during 2012 sir. But yes it's SOOOOOO much drama with Fleetwood Mac. She is the drama.

[BigAl84]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

Barbara Nicks died on December 28, 2011. Can anyone blame her for not being ready to jump back into the drama that is Fleetwood Mac that soon after her mother died? Mick’s Playboy interview was just 80 days later.

I don’t know...John McVie got a cancer diagnosis in the middle of a tour and they were ready to give his a$$ the boot. Lindsey has a heart attack and nobody gives a sh*t.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by jmn3

It's not like she was in a period of mourning and not working at all during 2012 sir.

You don’t know what was going through her head. There’s a difference between working solo and with Fleetwood Mac.

Originally Posted by BigAl84

I don’t know...John McVie got a cancer diagnosis in the middle of a tour and they were ready to give his a$$ the boot. Lindsey has a heart attack and nobody gives a sh*t.

The question was “What would her answer be?“ You don’t think she wouldn’t use the death of her mother as her reason for not touring with Fleetwood Mac in 2012?

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by johnnystorms

YEARS of belittling and minimizing Stevie. go back to kicking her onstage in Australia!! She's supposed to forget that?

Stevie has never said that Lindsey abused her. It’s an unfounded accusation. She was in a position where she didn’t need him anymore after 1981 yet continued working with him, if not begrudgingly. She said he was mean to her, but then I’m sure she was an absolute peach.

There are enough legitimate issues between them that bringing up a baseless accusation is unnecessary and unfair to Lindsey.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by johnnystorms

YEARS of belittling and minimizing Stevie. go back to kicking her onstage in Australia!! She's supposed to forget that?

Except no one can quite agree that he kicked her on stage, not even Stevie.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by John Run

It does show that Fleetwood Mac used semantics to frame their truth which had some significant factual omissions

Of course there were omissions. I’m sure legal was all over what they could and could not say. Except for Stevie botching the time frame, what they actually said wasn’t a lie.

(Not anticipating they would have to pay him north of $10 million for not playing with them)

LOL, you don’t think Irving didn’t realize they’d get sued? Fleetwood Mac isn’t the first band to fire a longstanding member. Hell, they’re not even the first band he manages that fired a longstanding member. They ALWAYS involve lawsuits. If you know you’re getting sued, you don’t show all your cards in interviews.

Lindsey is a different person than he was in 1987 that is for sure. He has mellowed and become sentimental for the art and people that shaped him.

I think once the catharsis of leaving the band wore off and OOTC flopped, he realized he needed them.

The driving factor to come back is not the money

Yeah, it’s the glory. Playing GYOW in front of 20,000 people in an arena is a way bigger rush than 1500 in a theater.

(Hell if you believe Celebrity Net Worth, Lindsey is the wealthiest member of Fleetwood Mac. CNW is not a demonstrably accurate source, but it gives you an idea that his financial situation is quite stable)

Yeah, they said a friend of mine was a multimillionaire. He’s absolutely not.

There are the same 2 or 3 posters who repeatedly twist themselves into physically and mentally impossible contortions to defend Stevie's role in this process or to maintain their anti-Buckingham positions, and it is futile to respond. Again, it is the same 2 or 3 people and some once respected posters are now nothing more than shadow puppets who enjoy seeing people react to their written gymnastics.

Or, maybe we take things said in interviews at the time into the equation instead of relying solely on a lawsuit. Wouldn’t want to have “significant factual omissions” now, would we?

Between that interview Mick did in 2017 where he talked about he and Stevie were planning on doing deep cuts and Lindsey’s comments on the Classic shows, I suspected trouble was possibly on the horizon, but what do I know?

Brett specifically notes that John McVie didn't want the change.

That’s assuming you have the right “it that he was referencing. “She wanted it to be her way more than the rest of the people did in the band. It wasn’t John McVie.” I read that as being about doing the songs from the other eras of the band and not relying on prerecords (her 24KG model, but with Fleetwood Mac).

Mick has great survival instincts. He sees the trend.

Mick also said that the band is more functional because of the changes they made. Now, maybe he’s open to working with Lindsey again outside of Fleetwood Mac, like he recently did with Rick Vito and Bekka Bramlett.

[michelej1]

Eh, Lindsey has a smirky face. He’s a smirker. Or he was thinking smirky things. I suspect him of smirking. But he wasn’t dancing like the other two.

Stevie always said Lindsey had more money than the rest of them, as a producer. Probably another reason she hates him.

[BigAl84]

Originally Posted by michelej1

Eh, Lindsey has a smirky face. He’s a smirker. Or he was thinking smirky things. I suspect him of smirking. But he wasn’t dancing like the other two.

Stevie always said Lindsey had more money than the rest of them, as a producer. Probably another reason she hates him.

Lindsey also didn't have to put half his fortunes up his nose and subsequently reahab. So there's that lol.

[BigAl84]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

Of course there were omissions. I’m sure legal was all over what they could and could not say. Except for Stevie botching the time frame, what they actually said wasn’t a lie.


LOL, you don’t think Irving didn’t realize they’d get sued? Fleetwood Mac isn’t the first band to fire a longstanding member. Hell, they’re not even the first band he manages that fired a longstanding member. They ALWAYS involve lawsuits. If you know you’re getting sued, you don’t show all your cards in interviews.


I think once the catharsis of leaving the band wore off and OOTC flopped, he realized he needed them.


Yeah, it’s the glory. Playing GYOW in front of 20,000 people in an arena is a way bigger rush than 1500 in a theater.


Yeah, they said a friend of mine was a multimillionaire. He’s absolutely not.


Or, maybe we take things said in interviews at the time into the equation instead of relying solely on a lawsuit. Wouldn’t want to have “significant factual omissions” now, would we?

Between that interview Mick did in 2017 where he talked about he and Stevie were planning on doing deep cuts and Lindsey’s comments on the Classic shows, I suspected trouble was possibly on the horizon, but what do I know?


That’s assuming you have the right “it that he was referencing. “She wanted it to be her way more than the rest of the people did in the band. It wasn’t John McVie.” I read that as being about doing the songs from the other eras of the band and not relying on prerecords (her 24KG model, but with Fleetwood Mac).


Mick also said that the band is more functional because of the changes they made. Now, maybe he’s open to working with Lindsey again outside of Fleetwood Mac, like he recently did with Rick Vito and Bekka Bramlett.

More functional? Are you for real? You’re aware that Stevie has spent the past week lamenting that She hasn’t heard from any of them and she hasn’t called them either? They’re dead in the water at the moment.

Lol are you really still clutching your pearls for this new invigorated Fleetwood Mac they tried to sell two years ago?

And we’re still trying to convince ourselves that Stevie was a holding the torch for pre-75 material? That’s hilarious. That whole entire narrative was created to justify filling in the gaping whole with Lindsey out of the mix. Half of that material they still axed out of the set list before the midway point of the tour..

It’s funny that nearly two years later and all of the info that’s come forward, you’re still repeating the same stuff you said in the initial weeks leading up to the tour.

[aleuzzi]

Brett’s interview is a delight from start to finish—and not just the FM stuff. His well-worded honesty underscores what Lindsey said of him by way of stage introduction for the ANTHOLOGY tour: “Brett knows where the bodies are buried.”

Even if Lindsey goes back to FM, Brett has sealed his fate. He testified. The guilty parties (Mick and Stevie) will never forgive him.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by BigAl84

More functional? Are you for real? You’re aware that Stevie has spent the past week lamenting that She hasn’t heard from any of them and she hasn’t called them either? They’re dead in the water at the moment.

“All I can say is really openly is that Lindsey Buckingham and the work he has done with the band is never going to go away and we have a functioning band with the changes that we made. You know time heals and it was lovely to be able to talk with him.”

And we’re still trying to convince ourselves that Stevie was a holding the torch for pre-75 material? That’s hilarious. That whole entire narrative was created to justify filling in the gaping whole with Lindsey out of the mix. Half of that material they still axed out of the set list before the midway point of the tour..

AUGUST 28, 2017
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https://www.rollingstone.com/music/m...future-110414/

Are you thinking at all about the set list yet? Will it be very different than the last tour?


Yeah. I was in Italy recently and met Stevie out there. Actually, she was in Capri and I was close to there. She said to me, “Let’s sit down and really listen to some stuff that sort of almost got forgotten.” So I know she’s already thinking she wants to do some things we haven’t done in years. I always think that Stevie and Lindsey should do a Buckingham Nicks song in the set. And have Christine should do a blues song.
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Last I checked, Buckingham Nicks and Christine’s blues days were pre-1975.

[BigAl84]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

“All I can say is really openly is that Lindsey Buckingham and the work he has done with the band is never going to go away and we have a functioning band with the changes that we made. You know time heals and it was lovely to be able to talk with him.”


AUGUST 28, 2017
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https://www.rollingstone.com/music/m...future-110414/

Are you thinking at all about the set list yet? Will it be very different than the last tour?


Yeah. I was in Italy recently and met Stevie out there. Actually, she was in Capri and I was close to there. She said to me, “Let’s sit down and really listen to some stuff that sort of almost got forgotten.” So I know she’s already thinking she wants to do some things we haven’t done in years. I always think that Stevie and Lindsey should do a Buckingham Nicks song in the set. And have Christine should do a blues song.
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Last I checked, Buckingham Nicks and Christine’s blues days were pre-1975.

I LOVE how you somehow can still quote bullish*t quotes from mick or Stevie as if it’s actual fact, as if you take it as complete truth.

Doing things we haven’t done in years does not automatically equate to pre-75 fm material. She could of been referring to Crystal or Blue Letter or When I See You Again. Clearly that quote illustrates Christine wanted to do some older blues stuff but to try and say it was Stevie? Gimme a break .

You’re about the last person on this forum to even remotely take a single thing mick says with a grain of salt. Functioning band? Stevie just said nobody has talked to her in months.

[jmn3]

Originally Posted by BigAl84

I LOVE how you somehow can still quote bullish*t quotes from mick or Stevie as if it’s actual fact, as if you take it as complete truth.

Doing things we haven’t done in years does not automatically equate to pre-75 fm material. She could of been referring to Crystal or Blue Letter or When I See You Again. Clearly that quote illustrates Christine wanted to do some older blues stuff but to try and say it was Stevie? Gimme a break dude.

Stevie has longed for years to cover Peter and do Black Magic Woman. She was like I totally need to bastardize someone else in this bands lyrics now that Chris is back to singing Dont Stop. Mean jerk Lindsey wouldn’t let her do BMW. Oh wait, she didn’t even realize it was a Fleetwood Mac song.