Article: Fleetwood Mac's Stevie Nicks sent a letter to Lindsey.

[BigAl84]

I love how the Karens of the Stevie world bring up the Dylan exchange but they ALWAYS leave out that bit where he very politely said "OK, it's your song I just thought I would bring it up"

Not to mention it's visibly clear he was hesitant to bring it up, he knew he was stepping into delicate waters.

Oooph big bad Lindsey being a jerk...hmm k.

[elle]

Originally Posted by BigAl84

I love how the Karens of the Stevie world bring up the Dylan exchange but they ALWAYS leave out that bit where he very politely said "OK, it's your song I just thought I would bring it up"

Not to mention it's visibly clear he was hesitant to bring it up, he knew he was stepping into delicate waters.

Oooph big bad Lindsey being a jerk...hmm k.

although, they both have been dismissive towards each other over the years, and probably hate that they owe each other their success.

a weird co-dependent love/hate relationship, probably more hate than love as the years went by.

both passive aggressive, trying to put each other down.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by elle

although, they both have been dismissive towards each other over the years, and probably hate that they owe each other their success.

a weird co-dependent love/hate relationship, probably more hate than love as the years went by.

And, that’s one of the biggest differences between CSNY and Stevie and Lindsey. All of the guys in CSNY had been in legendary hit-making bands before getting together. Also, CSNY weren’t ex-lovers. There are a few layers of drama that CSNY doesn’t have to deal with.

I suspect the biggest reason why the McVies were able to become great friends again is that lack of owing each other their careers. John had a pretty legendary career even before Fleetwood Mac, and Christine was an up and coming musician in her own right. Even with being bandmates, their personal and professional relationships weren’t nearly as enmeshed.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by elle

although, they both have been dismissive towards each other over the years, and probably hate that they owe each other their success.

Yeah, I wouldn't try to argue that Lindsey wasn't being a pain when he said that. He can be pretty smug ("in a word, yes"), but she gives as good as she gets. She was in a documentary making fun of his singing style on Tusk. She made me laugh, but if he had done the same thing to her in a documentary, the fury would never have ended.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by michelej1

She was in a documentary making fun of his singing style on Tusk. She made me laugh, but if he had done the same thing to her in a documentary, the fury would never have ended.

He put “What Makes You Think You’re The One?” On Tusk which totally mocks her vibrato.

[UnwindedDreams]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

He put “What Makes You Think You’re The One?” On Tusk which totally mocks her vibrato.

Isn't this song his main post-punk, new wave debut on Tusk? Thus, the singing is different than his singing on the white or Rumours albums. I think he sounds great on WMYTYTO
Springsteen styles his voice to sound like Dylan on tons of songs and it doesn't sound good.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams

Isn't this song his main post-punk, new wave debut on Tusk? Thus, the singing is different than his singing on the white or Rumours albums. I think he sounds great on WMYTYTO
Springsteen styles his voice to sound like Dylan on tons of songs and it doesn't sound good.

“The darker side of “What Makes You Think You’re The One” was rooted in the lyrics and performance that revisited Lindsey’s feelings toward Stevie and their past as a couple, a breakup that was only two years old at this point. If there was any doubt of who the song was about, Lindsey did his best to imitate Stevie’s distinctive vibrato, giving it a bleating, goatlike quality, and her rudimentary piano playing, which he knew made her self-conscious. This only served to exacerbate Stevie’s feelings of mistreatment by her ex, in a very dysfunctional way that I was to discover directly from her. Stevie provocatively described her experience making Tusk as being like one of the hostages in Iran held by Lindsey as the Ayatollah Khomeini who had seized power of Studio D.” -Ken Caillat

[aleuzzi]

Thanks for posting the entire article. Wow. I mean WOW—she is one delusional gal these days. And it’s so clear that her agent/management engineered this “story” to counteract the negative responses she got for her self-serving RBG tribute and to the now widely-acknowledged lies the band were telling the press about Lindsey’s firing.

There are so many WTF moments in this. But rock-n-roll is crammed with narcissists who believe their every thought and revelation is of great importance. Still, the following bit is beyond embarrassing:

[“Show Them the Way,” due Oct. 9, was born out of a dream Nicks had in the run-up to the 2008 presidential election. In it, she was invited to perform at a political benefit for icons of history. Martin Luther King Jr. led her by the arm into a ballroom where John F. Kennedy, Bobby Kennedy and John Lewis were seated, awaiting her. The dream was so vivid that the instant she awoke, she wrote it down and within days, put it to music.]

Wow. I mean WOW.

[UnwindedDreams]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

“The darker side of “What Makes You Think You’re The One” was rooted in the lyrics and performance that revisited Lindsey’s feelings toward Stevie and their past as a couple, a breakup that was only two years old at this point. If there was any doubt of who the song was about, Lindsey did his best to imitate Stevie’s distinctive vibrato, giving it a bleating, goatlike quality, and her rudimentary piano playing, which he knew made her self-conscious. This only served to exacerbate Stevie’s feelings of mistreatment by her ex, in a very dysfunctional way that I was to discover directly from her. Stevie provocatively described her experience making Tusk as being like one of the hostages in Iran held by Lindsey as the Ayatollah Khomeini who had seized power of Studio D.” -Ken Caillat

Is everyone who reads that quote obligated to take it as Bible?
Ken Caillat wasn't the creator or author of the song. Is he a mind-reader? That perspective flirts like it's not a good song.

To me Lindsey's vocals and stylings are great on that track. Just like Stevie's vocals are great on Sisters and Chris' are on Brown Eyes.

The whole package of What Makes You Think You're the One isn't everything Stevie. I think it's in vein with the spirit of the album, which is a new plank to walk. And Stevie honors that risk the band took in praising Harry's career choice.

[elle]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

“The darker side of “What Makes You Think You’re The One” was rooted in the lyrics and performance that revisited Lindsey’s feelings toward Stevie and their past as a couple, a breakup that was only two years old at this point. If there was any doubt of who the song was about, Lindsey did his best to imitate Stevie’s distinctive vibrato, giving it a bleating, goatlike quality, and her rudimentary piano playing, which he knew made her self-conscious. This only served to exacerbate Stevie’s feelings of mistreatment by her ex, in a very dysfunctional way that I was to discover directly from her." -Ken Caillat

yup. while Ken's descriptions are usually negatively colored towards Lindsey by some kind of who-is-really-FM-producer competition, i think this one is right on the money. Tusk era seems to have been the peak of Lindsey's contempt, hatred and frustration with Stevie, and this song is unusually direct in clearly stating it. that one live version from the Tusk tour?? dripping with hate and contempt. but it's a great song.

looks like 2010s were the other way around - Lindsey completely being at peace with FM, Stevie, his solo career, and everyone's place in each others lives, while Stevie was apparently boiling with resentment towards him. weird thing is that they really never saw each other while working on FM tours, except on stage. he avoided any gatherings she'd pull together inviting the band while on the road with FM, and was mostly doing his own thing.

that last sentence is also revealing - her characterizing his writing bitter songs about being dumped by her, or that she was still expecting him to do stuff foe her as "his mistreatment of her." Just like now - apparently she expects him to just disregard that she kicked him outta their band, and she doesn't see any need to apologize.

[bombaysaffires]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

“The darker side of “What Makes You Think You’re The One” was rooted in the lyrics and performance that revisited Lindsey’s feelings toward Stevie and their past as a couple, a breakup that was only two years old at this point. If there was any doubt of who the song was about, Lindsey did his best to imitate Stevie’s distinctive vibrato, giving it a bleating, goatlike quality, and her rudimentary piano playing, which he knew made her self-conscious. This only served to exacerbate Stevie’s feelings of mistreatment by her ex, in a very dysfunctional way that I was to discover directly from her. Stevie provocatively described her experience making Tusk as being like one of the hostages in Iran held by Lindsey as the Ayatollah Khomeini who had seized power of Studio D.” -Ken Caillat

He makes it sound like she said the Iran hostage part to him directly, which in theory she could have, but personally I highly doubt it. He's quoting pretty much verbatim what she said in a published interview around that time. His book (and those of Mick) very much rely on padding from published interviews which the "authors" then present as if they were there when these things were said. I take Ken with a major grain of salt, in particular given his bias regarding Lindsey. Sure, he was there, but if you believe him he was as wasted most of the time as the rest of them, and a lot of his attention would have been focused on technical issues....and given that band members declined to share their memories with him for his book he had to pull their thoughts from somewhere. I just don't get the sense that Ken was as "inside" the band members' (especially S&L) circle as, say, Richard.

[johnnystorms]

Originally Posted by BigAl84

I love how the Karens of the Stevie world bring up the Dylan exchange but they ALWAYS leave out that bit where he very politely said "OK, it's your song I just thought I would bring it up"

Not to mention it's visibly clear he was hesitant to bring it up, he knew he was stepping into delicate waters.

Oooph big bad Lindsey being a jerk...hmm k.

what does "Karens of the Stevie world" mean?