Who Has Given Up ??

[BigAl84]

Five years, though? “Sgt. Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band” was recorded in six months and “Pet Sounds” in nine months. It’s not like a lot of OOTC wasn’t derivative of his past work. It was hardly revolutionary, broke much new ground, shed any new light on Lindsey, or warranted a five year wait.

How many years was it between Street Angel and Trouble In Shangri-La - 6 years or so? By your own logic, TISL has no merit either or is that now a profound masterpiece? Let me know if I've mistaken.

[BigAl84]

Wait you guys....One Man Show was made in 2 HOURS!!!!

[BigAl84]

Five years, though? “Sgt. Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band” was recorded in six months and “Pet Sounds” in nine months. It’s not like a lot of OOTC wasn’t derivative of his past work. It was hardly revolutionary, broke much new ground, shed any new light on Lindsey, or warranted a five year wait.

What's really ironic, if you take this exact quote and replace OTTC with Bella Donna, replace Lindsey with "Stevie" you would be labeled as somebody spreading rage fueled rhetoric and asked to leave an entire forum, by the same person who wrote the original quote.

Funny how that works.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by BigAl84

What's really ironic, if you take this exact quote and replace OTTC with Bella Donna, replace Lindsey with "Stevie" you would be labeled as somebody spreading rage fueled rhetoric and asked to leave an entire forum, by the same person who wrote the original quote. .

Except Bella Donna came out about two years after Tusk, was recorded in three months, she didn’t quit the band to make it, nor did she ever claim that it was anything other than another outlet for her music.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

Except Bella Donna came out about two years after Tusk, was recorded in three months, she didn’t quit the band to make it, nor did she ever claim that it was anything other than another outlet for her music.

I don't think he quit the band to make his solo album. He quit it because he was fighting with dysfunctional, addicts. Homeless Mick on one hand and no show Stevie (well, to give her credit, she did show up for Petty and Dylan concerts) on the other.

[David]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

Except Bella Donna came out about two years after Tusk, was recorded in three months, she didn’t quit the band to make it, nor did she ever claim that it was anything other than another outlet for her music.

More apples to oranges. When you say that BD took three months to make, that's misleading. First, the recording sessions, which were off and on, actually lasted longer than three months, but no biggie. Second, Stevie worked on her songs and demos with other musicians (like Tom Moncrief, Mick Fleetwood, Sharon Celani, and Jorge Calderón) off and on over a period of at least three years—from spring 1978 through late winter 1980. Many of those sessions included all the members of the Heartbreakers (Stan, Mike, Benmont, and Ron) in many hours of work (recordings of which surfaced from the old Modern storage unit). So Stevie was working on material for BD off and on over a period of three years. It's misleading to say that it took "three months"; it even took longer at the actual sessions at Studio 55 and Goodnight L.A., but many of the songs had already been worked on and worked out well beforehand.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by BigAl84

Are people not allowed to back away from a situation and focus on making an album for a few years. Using your own words, why is that being thrown back at Lindsey?

A few years? Sure. But five years, and the album sounds like the second part of an album that came out five years earlier? And then another eleven years until his next studio release (SYW)?

Originally Posted by BigAl84

How many years was it between Street Angel and Trouble In Shangri-La - 6 years or so? By your own logic, TISL has no merit either or is that now a profound masterpiece? Let me know if I've mistaken.

I wouldn’t call most of Stevie’s solo albums masterpieces, truth be told. But at least she was on the road, keeping her name out there. TISL wasn’t much, but it was something, it was the only new album from any of them since “Time.” Meanwhile, Lindsey’s fecklessness and Christine’s retirement created a scenario where a generation basically grew up without them. Hell, there was a stretch in the late ‘90s where Peter Green was less reclusive.

[David]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

I wouldn’t call most of Stevie’s solo albums masterpieces, truth be told.

Glad to hear it! I thought they were all equal to Revolver or Exile on Main Street!

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

But at least she was on the road, keeping her name out there.

While he was producing solo albums, Fleetwood Mac albums, and sometimes even friends' albums.

There's no question that he has always dragged his feet and wasted a lot of time. She has, too. (Rock a Little? Street Angel?) But you're pushing a weird story here—that he's slow and she's fast, and that her speed made her a commercial force that he could only dream about. That's silly. She didn't get inducted into the hall of fame as a solo gal because she busted her behind all these decades. (In fact, we chiffonheads always used to complain about how long she was taking on most of her projects.) She got inducted because the public likes her and remembers her.

[BigAl84]

Originally Posted by David

Glad to hear it! I thought they were all equal to Revolver or Exile on Main Street!

While he was producing solo albums, Fleetwood Mac albums, and sometimes even friends' albums.

There's no question that he has always dragged his feet and wasted a lot of time. She has, too. (Rock a Little? Street Angel?) But you're pushing a weird story here—that he's slow and she's fast, and that her speed made her a commercial force that he could only dream about. That's silly. She didn't get inducted into the hall of fame as a solo gal because she busted her behind all these decades. (In fact, we chiffonheads always used to complain about how long she was taking on most of her projects.) She got inducted because the public likes her and remembers her.

wait, what? the rock a little era wasnt the career defining moment that is referenced to this day, who knew!!

[Street_Dreamer]

Originally Posted by David

She got inducted because the public likes her and remembers her.

That HAS to be the reason. As I've mentioned before, in terms of her solo material, only Bella Donna and The Wild Heart are fantastic albums top to bottom. Rock A Little is trash, The Other Side Of The Mirror was mostly underwhelming and Street Angel was embarrassing. I didn't think Trouble In Shangra-La was all that special and I've never listened to In Your Dreams or 24 Karat Gold.

Stack up her solo work to her work in Fleetwood Mac and it's not even close to being competitive. Outside of her first two solo albums, none of her music transcends time. People talk about Tango In The Night having a "dated" sound. Compared to Rock A Little and The Other Side Of The Mirror, Tango In The Night sounds like it came out yesterday.

Personally, I think there are plenty of women and men who had better and more prolific careers than Stevie. Of course my opinion doesn't matter and she's in the HoF forever. Good for her but she never would have got as far as she did by herself if it weren't for Fleetwood Mac and Lindsey's production on her songs.

[button-lip]

Originally Posted by Street_Dreamer

Personally, I think there are plenty of women and men who had better and more prolific careers than Stevie. Of course my opinion doesn't matter and she's in the HoF forever. Good for her but she never would have got as far as she did by herself if it weren't for Fleetwood Mac and Lindsey's production on her songs.

And for all those people working for her 24/7. Those are the people that made possible all those albums and all those tours. She knows her job very well.