Lindsey Buckingham's complaint against FM - Filed 10/9/18 in Los Angeles - document

SteveMacD · #1 10-12-2018, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by NotonRodeo

I'm a bit nonplussed by some of the posts about John's cancer--I always assumed it was common knowledge that when they found out he was ill, S & M desperately searched for a replacement, so they could keep the advance from the tour promoters from Australia and NZ. I forgot where I read it and how it was settled, but I assumed every one here knew

I never heard about that. I assumed they were considering substitutes in case they couldn’t get out of their obligations, but it wouldn’t have been a permanent replacement. When they were able to get out, tour canceled. The cancellation was announced the day after their last European show.

StevieandChris · #2 10-12-2018, 12:49 PM

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I never heard about that. I assumed they were considering substitutes in case they couldn’t get out of their obligations, but it wouldn’t have been a permanent replacement. When they were able to get out, tour canceled. The cancellation was announced the day after their last European show.

And I doubt John cared at that point.

Sugar Mouse · #3 10-12-2018, 01:03 PM

I understand that Lindsey didn't have a written contract with Live Nation or Fleetwood Mac in regards to the current tour. If that's true, it's going to be challenging for Lindsey to win a lawsuit if the band declines to settle.

NotonRodeo · #4 10-12-2018, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Sugar Mouse

I understand that Lindsey didn't have a written contract with Live Nation or Fleetwood Mac in regards to the current tour. If that's true, it's going to be challenging for Lindsey to win a lawsuit if the band declines to settle.

An oral contract is just as binding as a written one. Basic contract law.

TrueFaith77 · #5 10-12-2018, 01:25 PM

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An oral contract is just as binding as a written one. Basic contract law.

Now, Sugar Mouse is going to be a legal expert.

StevieandChris · #6 10-12-2018, 01:27 PM

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An oral contract is just as binding as a written one. Basic contract law.

Now we have to see if his interpretation of the oral contract matches the other members’ and their reps’ interpretation.

ryan4136 · #7 10-12-2018, 01:49 PM

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An oral contract is just as binding as a written one. Basic contract law.

This is why Azoff called to say the tour was off. And it wasn’t until after he was let go that a “new” tour with some hired guns was established starting at a different time. We’ll see if that holds up in court though.

sodascouts · #8 10-12-2018, 01:55 PM

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This is why Azoff called to say the tour was off. And it wasn’t until after he was let go that a “new” tour with some hired guns was established starting at a different time. We’ll see if that holds up in court though.

This is why they stopped doing interviews. The band themselves were characterizing it as carrying on with the tour they had planned, but which Lindsey had supposedly refused to do on their timeline. That does not fit the narrative of an entirely separate tour, especially with Christine letting it slip that she had gone to London with the impression Lindsey would be on the tour!

ryan4136 · #9 10-12-2018, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by sodascouts

This is why they stopped doing interviews. The band themselves were characterizing it as carrying on with the tour they had planned, but which Lindsey had supposedly refused to do on their timeline. That does not fit the narrative of an entirely separate tour, especially with Christine letting it slip that she had gone to London with the impression Lindsey would be on the tour!

Agreed Azoff must’ve freaked

SteveMacD · #10 10-12-2018, 02:10 PM

I think management, promoters, and legal had more to do with his firing than Stevie. I don’t doubt for a second that Stevie had a major outburst and gave an ultimatum. I also think that was a fire they (management and legal) could have put out, if they had been so inclined. They could have talked Stevie down. (BTW, I have no doubt that Mick and Christine heard about their dancing, too. But they have a very different relationship with Stevie.)

But, Lindsey’s comments before Classic West and what many perceived as a lackluster performance on his part, especially compared to his enthusiastic performances with LBCM, ultimately did him in. A concurrent tour? He’d already proven to management and promoters (which was pretty much one and the same with Classic West) that he couldn’t maintain his enthusiasm for Fleetwood Mac when he was also promoting a new project. It was one of the biggest things Azoff ever did, and Lindsey basically took a dump on it when they were still selling tickets. I think Lindsey made himself a liability in management’s eyes.

I could be wrong, but there’s enough between the lines..

Jondalar · #11 10-12-2018, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by sodascouts

This is why they stopped doing interviews. The band themselves were characterizing it as carrying on with the tour they had planned, but which Lindsey had supposedly refused to do on their timeline. That does not fit the narrative of an entirely separate tour, especially with Christine letting it slip that she had gone to London with the impression Lindsey would be on the tour!

That won't pass the smell test, especially when Lindsey points out that when John had cancer Mick and Stevie went looking for a new bass player and weren't going to cancel the tour. Plus, Fleetwood Mac has a history of NOT stopping a tour, when a members leaves. They can't just lie and get away with it. I think Lindsey is going to win a lot of money.

Sugar Mouse · #12 10-12-2018, 02:21 PM

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That won't pass the smell test, especially when Lindsey points out that when John had cancer Mick and Stevie went looking for a new bass player and weren't going to cancel the tour. Plus, Fleetwood Mac has a history of NOT stopping a tour, when a members leaves. They can't just lie and get away with it. I think Lindsey is going to win a lot of money.

The reports are that Lindsey didn't have a written contract for the tour. If that's true, he will have a very difficult time winning this case.

NotonRodeo · #13 10-12-2018, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ryan4136

This is why Azoff called to say the tour was off. And it wasn’t until after he was let go that a “new” tour with some hired guns was established starting at a different time. We’ll see if that holds up in court though.

Very sneaky of Azoff and the band. Perhaps a bit too sneaky to pass the smell test ...