Double standards (2nd try)

[jeets2000]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

That said, not a word about the abbreviated version of “Gypsy” in 2014, but it’s somehow a big deal in 2018? It wasn’t as obvious now as it was then that it was shortened for TV?

I'm not sure what the big deal is? People like the solo and missed it during this performance. No one HAD to acknowledge that it was missing during the 2014 Today Show performance because Lindsey was still in the band and it wasn't a risk that the solo might not be a part of future gigs. Will it be played in future gigs with Neil and Mike? Yeah, probably. But then again, lots of folks acknowledged that in the "Fleetwood Mac on Ellen" thread.

Originally Posted by BlanketMan

Yeah, I didn't hear Lindsey's "Lightning strikes, maybe once, maybe twice," but maybe this was a condensed version to fit into the TV time, and Neil will sing it on their tour.

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

Why TF is Mike playing keyboards on Gypsy? They definitely need more keyboard players on stage...

I HATE $tevie'$ singing on the bridge of Gypsy.

I'd guess they dropped the guitar solo at the end, because Lindsey OWNS that f*cking solo. Anyone else playing it is a charlatan and a thief(yes, I realize it was probably dropped for TV time).

Originally Posted by Feather Blade

I expect that might have to do with television show time constraints on how long the performances could be. We'll see what happens at the iheartradio gig coming up and at the tour shows.

Originally Posted by Storms123

I watched it. Gypsy actually sounded a lot like it always does, minus Lindsey’s guitar solo and harmonies I thought it was fine. Maybe it was because of TV they cut it but I am thinking it might be permanent. It identifies to closely to him in my opinion. I agree with another poster that Gypsy sounds better on her solo tours

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by jeets2000

I'm not sure what the big deal is? People like the solo and missed it during this performance. No one HAD to acknowledge that it was missing during the 2014 Today Show performance because Lindsey was still in the band and it wasn't a risk that the solo might not be a part of future gigs. Will it be played in future gigs with Neil and Mike? Yeah, probably. But then again, lots of folks acknowledged that in the "Fleetwood Mac on Ellen" thread.

So what you're saying is: People here did acknowledge it was probably due to TV.

[bombaysaffires]

Originally Posted by Buster

Steve, I agree with many of your points. The old band has had many dud TV performances, as have Stevie solo and BM. And it’s very possible (and likely) that this band will be much stronger/better live.

That doesn’t mean they didn’t suck and that they missed an opportunity to really come out swinging.

However, I think The Chain is sacred. Clearly more than the band does. I didn’t know Lindsey sang it on solo tours but I think that’s a shame. I didn’t like it when the post-Tango band sang it either.

The song is the heart and anchor of Rumours and the closest FM has to a full band song. No one standing out. And it’s highly personal.

I don’t like when it’s covered by anyone, from Melissa Etheridge in Queen Latifah show to Harry Styles.

Same with this new FM. The song means nothing to Finn/Campbell. And it showed with the awkwardness/no chemistry.

Moreover, I absolutely think it showed zero respect for the many diehard fans who have stood by this band and who are highly disappointed (understatement) by what has happened. To introduce themselves, they chose the one song that defines Rumours 5 the most. It was a crass, thoughtless move.

If they wanted to open with a song that shows the new band as a whole and that everyone knows, they should’ve chosen Don’t Stop.

Originally Posted by FuzzyPlum

I think people seem to be under the impression these people have some sort of degree of sentimentality. Perhaps they once did... a long time ago.
Somebody questioned in a thread (bwboy???) whether critics of the current incarnation actually like the band. That has to be a good question. I'd say its possible to be a fan of the music but its increasingly becoming difficult to be a fan of the people. I once idolized all of them. Over the years I've come to realize they are all deeply flawed in character.

Well said, both of you.

I would possibly disagree however, that the choice of The Chain was thoughtless.

I think it was done with full awareness.

I think it was meant as a F. U. to a certain someone. Whether from the band to him or just from Stevie (and Mick?) I dunno. And before the troll sh*tshow starts, no, I can't PROVE it. I just feel it, and given the above mentioned deeply flawed characters involved, it seems very plausible to me. If you don't agree, well, it's a free country.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

Well said, both of you.

I would possibly disagree however, that the choice of The Chain was thoughtless.

I think it was done with full awareness.

I think it was meant as a F. U. to a certain someone. Whether from the band to him or just from Stevie (and Mick?) I dunno. And before the troll sh*tshow starts, no, I can't PROVE it. I just feel it, and given the above mentioned deeply flawed characters involved, it seems very plausible to me. If you don't agree, well, it's a free country.

I agree. They(especially $he) knew exactly what they were doing. F.U. indeed. #douches

[secondhandchain]

I can bet you that it was LB's idea to piece all those songs together. Tambourine Ho just loves sticking in the knife. I should have listened to you Homer. She's the WORST. Why don't do Frozen Love? I can write Stevie's self important speech:

"This song was played for Mick when he was checking out studios to record a new album. A certain someone who was asked to join the band refused unless they asked me. I always hated that story because it made him seem more important and more talented then me. Guess who had the last laugh? I got him fired!!!! I think all of your collective consciousness was thrown out into the world and got that nasty bad man canned! And I thank all of you from the bottom of my fairy heart. Also just to let you know, I will be re recording EVERY Fleetwood Mac song that that bad man produced so it can be heard in the two note range it was written! I'll be playing all the instruments!!! Anyway let's get this party startedddddd!!!!!"

[Nathan]

Originally Posted by secondhandchain

I can bet you that it was LB's idea to piece all those songs together. Tambourine Ho just loves sticking in the knife. I should have listened to you Homer. She's the WORST. Why don't do Frozen Love? I can write Stevie's self important speech:

"This song was played for Mick when he was checking out studios to record a new album. A certain someone who was asked to join the band refused unless they asked me. I always hated that story because it made him seem more important and more talented then me. Guess who had the last laugh? I got him fired!!!! I think all of your collective consciousness was thrown out into the world and got that nasty bad man canned! And I thank all of you from the bottom of my fairy heart. Also just to let you know, I will be re recording EVERY Fleetwood Mac song that that bad man produced so it can be heard in the two note range it was written! I'll be playing all the instruments!!! Anyway let's get this party startedddddd!!!!!"

Is it acceptable to be calling people hoes now?

There is an "e" a the end of that word, by the way...

Is this how people get through life? They don't like the way things turn out, so they sneer and whine and call people ugly names?

[iamnotafraid]

Originally Posted by Nathan

...
Is this how people get through life? They don't like the way things turn out, so they sneer and whine and call people ugly names?

Sounds like you're talking about Democrats.

[secondhandchain]

Originally Posted by iamnotafraid

Sounds like you're talking about Democrats.

Why the F are you making this political??????????? I could say the SAME thing about the last election. You are obsessed. Go over to Fox news and comment if you are in that much of need to discuss it. UGH!

[Buster]

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

I would possibly disagree however, that the choice of The Chain was thoughtless.

I think it was done with full awarended.

I agree. By thoughtless, I meant not showing consideration of their fans.

[secondhandchain]

Nathan the "ho" was on purpose. It's kind of like not spelling a curse word correctly. I'm sorry you don't like it but the tambourine witch (is that better?) deserves everything she gets right now.

[Angel75]

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

Well said, both of you.

I would possibly disagree however, that the choice of The Chain was thoughtless.

I think it was done with full awareness.

I think it was meant as a F. U. to a certain someone. Whether from the band to him or just from Stevie (and Mick?) I dunno. And before the troll sh*tshow starts, no, I can't PROVE it. I just feel it, and given the above mentioned deeply flawed characters involved, it seems very plausible to me. If you don't agree, well, it's a free country.

I DO AGREE....I think it was a calculated move too, they had many other songs to choose particularly Christine's....and chose not to. Not a coincidence

[elle]

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

Well said, both of you.

I would possibly disagree however, that the choice of The Chain was thoughtless.

I think it was done with full awareness.

I think it was meant as a F. U. to a certain someone. Whether from the band to him or just from Stevie (and Mick?) I dunno.

Absolutely!

and everyone who thinks that is not the case, must not really be a fan of either FM, SN or LB or does not know how to pick up on social clues. because hardcore fans of this band are well aware of their dynamic and this is plain as day.

and yes, what you said about trolls! don't @ us. we all know it's true, and if you argue this point you are just trolling.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

Well said, both of you.

I would possibly disagree however, that the choice of The Chain was thoughtless.

I think it was done with full awareness.

I think it was meant as a F. U. to a certain someone. Whether from the band to him or just from Stevie (and Mick?) I dunno. And before the troll sh*tshow starts, no, I can't PROVE it. I just feel it, and given the above mentioned deeply flawed characters involved, it seems very plausible to me. If you don't agree, well, it's a free country.

See, this is the type of drama that seems completely unnecessary to interject into the conversation. I can guarantee you that they weren’t thinking of Lindsey when they picked The Chain.

Just from a practical perspective, The Chain is one of their better known songs, it features the voices together, has brief male lead vocals, and has a blazing guitar solo. Perfect way to show the new male lead vocalist and the new lead guitarist within the context of the band.

[bwboy]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

See, this is the type of drama that seems completely unnecessary to interject into the conversation. I can guarantee you that they weren’t thinking of Lindsey when they picked The Chain.

Just from a practical perspective, The Chain is one of their better known songs, it features the voices together, has brief male lead vocals, and has a blazing guitar solo. Perfect way to show the new male lead vocalist and the new lead guitarist within the context of the band.

I agree with everything you said. For a band with 3 vocalists the Chain is the perfect song to showcase the new lineup. Not to mention, it's a killer song, a crowd pleaser, and was featured recently in a huge movie. The idea that they performed it as some sort of vendetta against Lindsey is typical of some people's mindset against Fleetwood Mac. It's not like they performed Big Love or Never Going Back Again.

[Feather Blade]

Originally Posted by bwboy

I agree with everything you said. For a band with 3 vocalists the Chain is the perfect song to showcase the new lineup. Not to mention, it's a killer song, a crowd pleaser, and was featured recently in a huge movie. The idea that they performed it as some sort of vendetta against Lindsey is typical of some people's mindset against Fleetwood Mac. It's not like they performed Big Love or Never Going Back Again.

Also, "the chain" of the band as an entity isn't broken. It soldiers on as it has for many decades. No snide messages there.