Double standards (2nd try)

[aleuzzi]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

I’m just pointing out the hypocrisy as I see it. And before anyone hits me with the hypocrisy of how they’ve bent over backwards for Stevie, I’ve long thought she should have been shown the door years ago and/or Fleetwood Mac be put on indefinite hiatus for Buckingham Fleetwood McVie. Didn’t happen. I also get that in the years since, the oldest member rejoined and the second oldest survived a cancer scare. And, I had to accept that they’re not doing anything called Fleetwood Mac without Stevie with LBCM. There’s an urgency, now. But then, hasn’t money trumped principle in Fleetwood Mac since Peter Green wanted to give all of their money away?

That said, not a word about the abbreviated version of “Gypsy” in 2014, but it’s somehow a big deal in 2018? It wasn’t as obvious now as it was then that it was shortened for TV?

As for them playing “The Chain” or anything Lindsey was involved with…Legitimate? In all my 23 years on the FM online community, I’ve never heard of anyone having an issue with any of them playing the song until now. It wasn’t an issue with Lindsey doing it in 1993, it wasn’t an issue with Stevie and Rick doing it in 1994, and there wasn’t an issue with Fleetwood Mac calling their 94-95 tour “Another Link In The Chain.” Nor was their ever an issue with Stevie doing her songs from “Tusk” or “Mirage” on her solo tours. Yes, I realize they have since reunited and subsequently gone their separate ways again, but it’s still just a song. What next? Are we going to be pissed that Bob Welch and Billy Burnette continued playing “Oh Well” as solo artists?

The only bad news that can be verified from Ellen is Stevie will still be yelling “And then” during the second verse of “The Chain.”

My biggest gripe is that people think they can accurately judge the new lineup by one singular performance.

Fans would be more generous if the band’s first foot forward wasn’t anemic covers of classic material. If they’d done something unusual or adventurous—or played a new song—I’d have respected their effort, even if I didn’t like the result (and I might have liked it). But instead, they’ve done what they’ve often done, which is the least amount of work possible. If they’re going to be called a new band, act like one. Citing the conservative approach of previous new lineups as they started isn’t going to cut it this time. The band made a bold move by firing Lyndsey/hiring Mike and Neil: their approach to music making should reflect this. They lost a real opportunity on Ellen. But their decision was sadly predictable.

[BombaySapphire3]

Originally Posted by aleuzzi

Fans would be more generous if the band’s first foot forward wasn’t anemic covers of classic material. If they’d done something unusual or adventurous—or played a new song—I’d have respected their effort, even if I didn’t like the result (and I might have liked it). But instead, they’ve done what they’ve often done, which is the least amount of work possible. If they’re going to be called a new band, act like one. Citing the conservative approach of previous new lineups as they started isn’t going to cut it this time. The band made a bold move by firing Lyndsey/hiring Mike and Neil: their approach to music making should reflect this. They lost a real opportunity on Ellen. But their decision was sadly predictable.

Wow I'm used to all the Lindsays but this is the very first time I have seen Lyndsey

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by BombaySapphire3

Wow I'm used to all the Lindsays but this is the very first time I have seen Lyndsey

He was fantastic in The Bionic Woman.

[BombaySapphire3]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

He was fantastic in The Bionic Woman.

Yep along with Stevie Austin.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by BombaySapphire3

Yep along with Stevie Austin.

And his bionic tambourine. He could jingle that thing like a mother ******!

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by BombaySapphire3

Yep along with Stevie Austin.

We can rebuild him. We have the technology.

[aleuzzi]

Originally Posted by BombaySapphire3

Wow I'm used to all the Lindsays but this is the very first time I have seen Lyndsey

Wow—that’s what was extrapolated from my post—the where’s Waldo misspelling. Fun!

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by aleuzzi

Wow—that’s what was extrapolated from my post—the where’s Waldo misspelling. Fun!

You poets think you can make your own language!!

[jmn3]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

You poets think you can make your own language!!

You wouldn’t say that to Bob Dylan!

[Buster]

Steve, I agree with many of your points. The old band has had many dud TV performances, as have Stevie solo and BM. And it’s very possible (and likely) that this band will be much stronger/better live.

That doesn’t mean they didn’t suck and that they missed an opportunity to really come out swinging.

However, I think The Chain is sacred. Clearly more than the band does. I didn’t know Lindsey sang it on solo tours but I think that’s a shame. I didn’t like it when the post-Tango band sang it either.

The song is the heart and anchor of Rumours and the closest FM has to a full band song. No one standing out. And it’s highly personal.

I don’t like when it’s covered by anyone, from Melissa Etheridge in Queen Latifah show to Harry Styles.

Same with this new FM. The song means nothing to Finn/Campbell. And it showed with the awkwardness/no chemistry.

Moreover, I absolutely think it showed zero respect for the many diehard fans who have stood by this band and who are highly disappointed (understatement) by what has happened. To introduce themselves, they chose the one song that defines Rumours 5 the most. It was a crass, thoughtless move.

If they wanted to open with a song that shows the new band as a whole and that everyone knows, they should’ve chosen Don’t Stop.

[jbrownsjr]

I agree, Buster. I think it was thoughtless. They just didn't think about it. They went through the motions.

[FuzzyPlum]

Originally Posted by Buster

Steve, I agree with many of your points. The old band has had many dud TV performances, as have Stevie solo and BM. And it’s very possible (and likely) that this band will be much stronger/better live.

That doesn’t mean they didn’t suck and that they missed an opportunity to really come out swinging.

However, I think The Chain is sacred. Clearly more than the band does. I didn’t know Lindsey sang it on solo tours but I think that’s a shame. I didn’t like it when the post-Tango band sang it either.

The song is the heart and anchor of Rumours and the closest FM has to a full band song. No one standing out. And it’s highly personal.

I don’t like when it’s covered by anyone, from Melissa Etheridge in Queen Latifah show to Harry Styles. I think it is disrespectful.

Same with this new FM. The song means nothing to Finn/Campbell. And it showed with the awkwardness/no chemistry.

Moreover, I absolutely think it showed zero respect for the many diehard fans who have stood by this band and who are highly disappointed (understatement) by what has happened. To introduce themselves, they chose the one song that defines Rumours 5 the most. It was a crass, thoughtless move.

If they wanted to open with a song that shows the new band as a whole and that everyone knows, the should’ve chosen Don’t Stop.

I think people seem to be under the impression these people have some sort of degree of sentimentality. Perhaps they once did... a long time ago.
Somebody questioned in a thread (bwboy???) whether critics of the current incarnation actually like the band. That has to be a good question. I'd say its possible to be a fan of the music but its increasingly becoming difficult to be a fan of the people. I once idolized all of them. Over the years I've come to realize they are all deeply flawed in character.

[aleuzzi]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

You poets think you can make your own language!!

Gurrrrrl, I have made up more words than I can count.

But let's face it--people (others, not you and me and a few others) should face facts: the new lineup is being criticized by sensible people because, quite frankly, they aren't acting like a new lineup at all. They are doing as little as necessary to "carry on" and make money and bamboozle masses of people into seeing their next tour.

If Mick is going to tout the new lineup as relevant and if some stubborn and/or delusional fans are going to defend the new lineup, then the actual band as it exists right now needs to DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT--ie: new music, a new approach to well-worn material. The new blood need to make their mark, and the veterans need to step up their game. Stretch, expand, grow. All of that comes with "new lineup"/ "new" band.

That ain't happening here.

The emperor's new clothes reveal just how lame and bloated the emperor actually is.

Or something like that.

[Nathan]

Originally Posted by aleuzzi

But let's face it--people (others, not you and me and a few others) should face facts: the new lineup is being criticized by sensible people because, quite frankly, they aren't acting like a new lineup at all. They are doing as little as necessary to "carry on" and make money and bamboozle masses of people into seeing their next tour.

Fair enough, and I don't completely disagree.

Although, I do think that "sensible people" should be able to voice their criticism without calling people bitches or hoes or attacking their physicality.

Maybe that makes me weak-minded in the eyes of some but I think what's truly weak-minded is a person being a whiny baby because they don't like what's happening in a band of musicians that they've never met, and having to call people ugly name$ becau$e of it.

Not you, but others.

[lovethemac1]

Originally Posted by Nathan

Fair enough, and I don't completely disagree.

Although, I do think that "sensible people" should be able to voice their criticism without calling people bitches or hoes or attacking their physicality.

Maybe that makes me weak-minded in the eyes of some but I think what's truly weak-minded is a person being a whiny baby because they don't like what's happening in a band of musicians that they've never met, and having to call people ugly name$ becau$e of it.

Not you, but others.

Nathan, you can't really comment on what I feel like, what I don't like, and what the band means to me. You have no clue.

So to call me whiny because I am frustrated with what they have done, is unfair. Where else do FM fans get to sit around and shoot the s**t about their feelings of their band? And to certainly vent frustration about what we are feeling.

It sounds to me like you are on all these threads with your whiny questions about WHY WHY WHY?