Mick denies Stevie Nicks kicked Lindsey out of

[SorcererJP]

Originally Posted by AncientQueen

I think that people will buy tickets only after the tour has started and only if some positive reviews come out. pig.

I expect(ed) them not to play Europe anymore this round, so I bought myself a ticket for MSG. Bought it in the pre-sale with a bit of FOMO. Will fly in from The Netherlands that week. It was on my bucket list to fly to the US to see a Sevie/Mac-concert, since she/they did not perform in Holland/Europe tour after tour after tour.

I became a fan in 1987/1988 after watching the Tango-concert on TV. To me FM ws with Billy and Rick. Only after I spent an evening at Lindsey's feet on front row in Antwerp 2009, I became a fan of his work and performance. Yes, I'll miss him, but I'll give the rest of the band a fair chance. And I feel sad about all the hate overhere ...

I'm a bit surprised tickets don't go so fast. But, I agree, maybe people will wait how the shows will turn out ... I saw that they'll play Newark two days after the MSG-show, maybe I'll go twice, since I'm at that side of the pond ... If I can can return to Manhattan at night after the show :-)

[elle]

Originally Posted by SorcererJP

I expect(ed) them not to play Europe anymore this round, so I bought myself a ticket for MSG. Bought it in the pre-sale with a bit of FOMO. Will fly in from The Netherlands that week. It was on my bucket list to fly to the US to see a Sevie/Mac-concert, since she/they did not perform in Holland/Europe tour after tour after tour.

I became a fan in 1987/1988 after watching the Tango-concert on TV. To me FM ws with Billy and Rick. Only after I spent an evening at Lindsey's feet on front row in Antwerp 2009, I became a fan of his work and performance. Yes, I'll miss him, but I'll give the rest of the band a fair chance. And I feel sad about all the hate overhere ..

How do you mean the Mac didn’t perform in Netherlands tour after tour? I’ve seen them in Amsterdam in 2013 and they played 2 Ziggo Dome shows that year. They also played it in 2015.

Yes interactions with Lindsey are the only thing why it was worth paying Micks m&gs or those front tix. I even told Lindsey once how that was the only reason many of us were buying them. In Europe (like Amsterdam) where floor was GA nobody was buying micks m&gs. He will be unpleasantly surprised now when his m&gs are even more and don’t come w tix.

I read many many many places how Mick sided with Stevie vs Lindsey because Stevie in the band means arena shows. Well, even though it may turn out more-less ok for them in the end, does not seem that arena shows are what they can sell right now!

Buckvie didn’t sell out many of their shows since they couldn’t ride Fleetwood Mac brand and nobody knew their names. But even with FM brand name and with Nicks in the band, FM don’t seem to be able to sell arenas now without Lindsey.

[Storms123]

Originally Posted by elle

How do you mean the Mac didn’t perform in Netherlands tour after tour? I’ve seen them in Amsterdam in 2013 and they played 2 Ziggo Dome shows that year. They also played it in 2015.

Yes interactions with Lindsey are the only thing why it was worth paying Micks m&gs or those front tix. I even told Lindsey once how that was the only reason many of us were buying them. In Europe (like Amsterdam) where floor was GA nobody was buying micks m&gs. He will be unpleasantly surprised now when his m&gs are even more and don’t come w tix.

I read many many many places how Mick sided with Stevie vs Lindsey because Stevie in the band means arena shows. Well, even though it may turn out more-less ok for them in the end, does not seem that arena shows are what they can sell right now!

Buckvie didn’t sell out many of their shows since they couldn’t ride Fleetwood Mac brand and nobody knew their names. But even with FM brand name and with Nicks in the band, FM don’t seem to be able to sell arenas now without Lindsey.

FM is about the band---all 5 of them and the chemistry they generate. LB is a force front and center. The guy doesn't take a break and if you are fortunate to be anywhere near that on the floor--it ignites something. And Stevie feeds on it, as does the rest of the band...that's what makes it such a great experience.

[dreamsunwind]

Originally Posted by elle

How do you mean the Mac didn’t perform in Netherlands tour after tour? I’ve seen them in Amsterdam in 2013 and they played 2 Ziggo Dome shows that year. They also played it in 2015.

Yes interactions with Lindsey are the only thing why it was worth paying Micks m&gs or those front tix. I even told Lindsey once how that was the only reason many of us were buying them. In Europe (like Amsterdam) where floor was GA nobody was buying micks m&gs. He will be unpleasantly surprised now when his m&gs are even more and don’t come w tix.

I read many many many places how Mick sided with Stevie vs Lindsey because Stevie in the band means arena shows. Well, even though it may turn out more-less ok for them in the end, does not seem that arena shows are what they can sell right now!

Buckvie didn’t sell out many of their shows since they couldn’t ride Fleetwood Mac brand and nobody knew their names. But even with FM brand name and with Nicks in the band, FM don’t seem to be able to sell arenas now without Lindsey.

I think a lot of it is the ticket prices and lack of proper promotion (at least so far). The prices are the highest they've ever been for any of their tours which is just ridiculous. And aside from the CBS interview, they hardly done any press to let people know tickets are even on sale. Maybe they're avoiding press so people won't notice the elephant in the room or maybe they don't plan on doing it until much closer to the shows but I don't think that's the smartest tactic for them. If they want to start selling some more they need to make a price drop and then actually PROMOTE that. However I do agree the Lindsey situation probably has quite a bit to do with it. I was kinda surprised by all the negative backlash. I thought most people wouldn't even really care because they just want to hear hits and they can do that with or without him but there's been soooooo much negativity about it online. Even casual fans were like "wtf".

[louielouie2000]

Originally Posted by dreamsunwind

I think a lot of it is the ticket prices and lack of proper promotion (at least so far). The prices are the highest they've ever been for any of their tours which is just ridiculous. And aside from the CBS interview, they hardly done any press to let people know tickets are even on sale. Maybe they're avoiding press so people won't notice the elephant in the room or maybe they don't plan on doing it until much closer to the shows but I don't think that's the smartest tactic for them. If they want to start selling some more they need to make a price drop and then actually PROMOTE that. However I do agree the Lindsey situation probably has quite a bit to do with it. I was kinda surprised by all the negative backlash. I thought most people wouldn't even really care because they just want to hear hits and they can do that with or without him but there's been soooooo much negativity about it online. Even casual fans were like "wtf".

They may not be doing the tv circuit yet, but it’s still quite a few months until the tour starts. However, they are doing more promotion in other sectors than I’ve ever witnessed from FM. Satellite radio & FM radio both have DJs & commercials hocking the tour on a frenzied level. Especially on Sirius XM, the chatter is constant. If this tour sells poorly, it’s not because people are unaware the band is touring.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by dreamsunwind

I think a lot of it is the ticket prices and lack of proper promotion (at least so far). The prices are the highest they've ever been for any of their tours which is just ridiculous. And aside from the CBS interview, they hardly done any press to let people know tickets are even on sale. Maybe they're avoiding press so people won't notice the elephant in the room or maybe they don't plan on doing it until much closer to the shows but I don't think that's the smartest tactic for them. If they want to start selling some more they need to make a price drop and then actually PROMOTE that. However I do agree the Lindsey situation probably has quite a bit to do with it. I was kinda surprised by all the negative backlash. I thought most people wouldn't even really care because they just want to hear hits and they can do that with or without him but there's been soooooo much negativity about it online. Even casual fans were like "wtf".

Because as they've gotten old, Lindsey BECAME the show. The only one still rocking out on stage. Old Goat's Her Name put on her Frankenbocks, and he was still OWNING the stage like he was 20.

The promoter I work with...I would call a casual fan, but he has taken his wife to the past couple tours. He's no Lindsey fanatic, but he says, "Lindsey IS the show, and now that he's out, I'm done. I'm not wasting my money on 'that'".

I agree.

[dreamsunwind]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

Because as they've gotten old, Lindsey BECAME the show. The only one still rocking out on stage. Old Goat's Her Name put on her Frankenbocks, and he was still OWNING the stage like he was 20.

The promoter I work with...I would call a casual fan, but he has taken his wife to the past couple tours. He's no Lindsey fanatic, but he says, "Lindsey IS the show, and now that he's out, I'm done. I'm not wasting my money on 'that'".

I agree.

Oh yeah that's a definite. Just about every person I've seen that has seen them in concert recently has said basically the same thing. His energy really added so, so much to the shows, especially knowing that those were HIS songs. And he actually interacts with the crowd. He's the only one who does it, I don't understand why the other members don't. The shows will never be the same, no matter who they bring in.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by dreamsunwind

Oh yeah that's a definite. Just about every person I've seen that has seen them in concert recently has said basically the same thing. His energy really added so, so much to the shows, especially knowing that those were HIS songs. And he actually interacts with the crowd. He's the only one who does it, I don't understand why the other members don't. The shows will never be the same, no matter who they bring in.

It kind of worked, THIRTY FREAKING YEARS AGO, but their legacy has been sealed now. Trying to reinvent yourselves, a couple years before you're pushing up daisies? Good luck with that.

[dreamsunwind]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

It kind of worked, THIRTY FREAKING YEARS AGO, but their legacy has been sealed now. Trying to reinvent yourselves, a couple years before you're pushing up daisies? Good luck with that.

Absolutely. They should've just decided to wrap it up when it became obvious things weren't going to work. To do it after MusiCares would've been a high note. Now they've just completely tarnished the legacy of the band in the eyes of many, many people.

[SorcererJP]

Originally Posted by elle

How do you mean the Mac didn’t perform in Netherlands tour after tour? I’ve seen them in Amsterdam in 2013 and they played 2 Ziggo Dome shows that year. They also played it in 2015.

Yes interactions with Lindsey are the only thing why it was worth paying Micks m&gs or those front tix. I even told Lindsey once how that was the only reason many of us were buying them. In Europe (like Amsterdam) where floor was GA nobody was buying micks m&gs. He will be unpleasantly surprised now when his m&gs are even more and don’t come w tix.

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I was mainly refering to Stevie her solo tours in the 90's and early zero's. She ignored Europe, but I also believe her fanbase overhere could not fill arena's like the Ziggo just by herself. The Dance-tour didn't went to Europe and the SYW-tour only landed in Germany, UK and Ireland. So, It was on my bucketlist since the early 90's :-)

Yes, of course I'm aware of the tours since 2009. I attended all the shows in Holland and Belgium in 2009, 2013 and 2015. Was at the show in the Ziggo-dome when they had to shorten the set due to soundproblems and read about the illness of John, while I really thought that would be their final show ... But ... Hurray for the GA at the Ziggo-dome ... was upfront all the times :-)

[elle]

Originally Posted by SorcererJP

I was mainly refering to Stevie her solo tours in the 90's and early zero's. She ignored Europe, but I also believe her fanbase overhere could not fill arena's like the Ziggo just by herself. The Dance-tour didn't went to Europe and the SYW-tour only landed in Germany, UK and Ireland. So, It was on my bucketlist since the early 90's :-)

Yes, of course I'm aware of the tours since 2009. I attended all the shows in Holland and Belgium in 2009, 2013 and 2015. Was at the show in the Ziggo-dome when they had to shorten the set due to soundproblems and read about the illness of John, while I really thought that would be their final show ... But ... Hurray for the GA at the Ziggo-dome ... was upfront all the times :-)

I’m even more confused now. You said Mac didn’t tour in Europe in 2000s but now you are saying you were at all their shows there in 2000s and that you really meant Stevie. Are you considering this version of Mac to really be glorified Stevie solo augmented with the Mac brand so she can play arenas in Europe?

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by elle

I’m even more confused now. You said Mac didn’t tour in Europe in 2000s but now you are saying you were at all their shows there in 2000s and that you really meant Stevie. Are you considering this version of Mac to really be glorified Stevie solo augmented with the Mac brand so she can play arenas in Europe?

Ye$!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SorcererJP]

Originally Posted by elle

I’m even more confused now. You said Mac didn’t tour in Europe in 2000s but now you are saying you were at all their shows there in 2000s and that you really meant Stevie. Are you considering this version of Mac to really be glorified Stevie solo augmented with the Mac brand so she can play arenas in Europe?

Ok, no need to be confused. Let me try to explain again:

In the 90's and early zero's: Stevie embarked on a few solo-tours thru the US (and sometimes Australia). She did not tour Europe. I was a bit frustrated by that and I put it on my bucket list to fly to the US once to see a concert overthere. That's all!! I was not able to do so on the 24kGold-tour and will do now.

Mac as well did not tour (ok ok the Time-band did so) The Netherlands between 1990 and 2009. That's still 19 Years!!! They didn't on the Dance-tour and not on the SYW-tour (and yes, I saw them in Germany in 2004).

So yes, I mainly was referring to Stevie Nicks. But somehow she is a person non grata overhere But that won't change the goal on my bucket list.

[elle]

Originally Posted by SorcererJP

So yes, I mainly was referring to Stevie Nicks. But somehow she is a person non grata overhere But that won't change the goal on my bucket list.

they don't like SN in Holland, you mean? or she just can't sell enough to make it worth for her to perform there solo?

i'm still not sure how FM without LB will make your dream of seeing SN solo in Holland come true.

now, LB's original plans of touring solo in between Mac dates could have made LB solo fans' in Holland dreams come true - that way he would have been able to do a few solo dates in Holland, if Mac was covering most of the equipment transfer logistics from the US to Europe and already touring as a band in Holland and the rest of northwestern Europe as they tend to do. but LB's firing made sure those fans don't get that opportunity.

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by elle

they don't like SN in Holland, you mean? or she just can't sell enough to make it worth for her to perform there solo?

i'm still not sure how FM without LB will make your dream of seeing SN solo in Holland come true.

now, LB's original plans of touring solo in between Mac dates could have made LB solo fans' in Holland dreams come true - that way he would have been able to do a few solo dates in Holland, if Mac was covering most of the equipment transfer logistics from the US to Europe and already touring as a band in Holland and the rest of northwestern Europe as they tend to do. but LB's firing made sure those fans don't get that opportunity.

Pure greed vs. Let me keep creating while I tour w/ the Big Machine

Pretty much stopped two great tours... plus, Christine was going to do some BuckVie w/ Lindsey.