Mick denies Stevie Nicks kicked Lindsey out of

[dreamsunwind]

Originally Posted by Sugar Mouse

The band has said that they fired Lindsey because he wouldn't tour for a year. Interestingly, Lindsey has not denied this.

If Lindsey was willing to tour, you'd think he would said something by now. However, Lindsey has not denied the band's story. No one associated with the Lindsey has denied the specifics of the story and said that Lindsey was willing to tour before next year.

I recently spoke with someone who works very closely with Lindsey and he confirmed that the band's story is essentially what actually happened. This person is a close associate of Lindsey and has no reason to tell me anything but the truth.

Despite the fact that I'm not aware of any evidence that the band's story isn't true, I know that almost everyone on this forum doesn't believe the band's story and instead believes that Lindsey was willing to tour and that Stevie and Mick conspired to fire the most important musical force in the band putting the band's future in doubt. It seems very unlikely that the band would fire their most important musical player without a legitimate cause.

Without resorting to name-calling and angry vitriol, I'm wondering if some of the "LindseyGate" conspiracy folks can post some concrete evidence that Lindsey was willing to tour this year and that there was, in fact, another reason for the firing. I'm open to that possibility, but would like to see some real evidence, such as a statement from someone with knowledge of the situation, and not the usual banter of name-calling aimed at Mick and Stevie.

For example, since he was fired, has Lindsey said he was willing to tour this year? Since the firing, has Lindsey denied the band's story? If he has, I haven't seen that denial.

I know Lindsey said in January that he was planning a Fleetwood Mac tour but he didn't say when that tour would be. My sources close to the band are telling me that Lindsey did plan to tour with Fleetwood Mac but in late 2019 and that was what he was referring to in that video from January. The band wanted to start the tour this fall and Lindsey wanted to put it off until late 2019.

Second, has Lindsey or someone associated with him or the band presented an alternate story or why the band fired him? If so, I haven't seen that.

If the conspiracy folks want to believe that Lindsey was willing to tour and the band's story is fiction then you need to come up with another plausible reason for why they would fire the band's central musical figure putting the band's future in jeopardy.

And you would need to present some evidence to support your theory of why Mick and Stevie would do this. Do you have any real evidence that's not conjecture? If so, please post it.

Lindsey did speak last week at that political benefit, but you may have noticed that he didn't deny the band's story. He simply said that the band has "lost perspective" which seems to, if anything, confirm rather than deny the band's account of events. He seemed to be implying that it was true that he wouldn't tour until 2019 and that the band had "lost perspective" by firing him rather than rescheduling the tour. Wouldn't he have denied the band's story and presented an alternate story if he believed that the band's story was fiction? It seems to me much more likely that Lindsey wanted to reschedule the tour until 2019 and the band didn't want to do that so they fired him which is exactly what the band is saying.

I know many of you believe that the band's story is a lie but do you all have any real objective evidence to support your belief or is it just based on gut feeling?

I'd be happy to be convinced that your theory has legs but I would need to see some real evidence such as someone close to the band presenting an alternative story.

If you don't have any real evidence, then you're simply spouting a conspiracy theory that has as much credibility as the moon landing conspiracy theories.

Many other people with reliable 'sources' just like your so-called sources have claimed that the band is manipulating the story. Lindsey did ask to delay the tour but he dropped it once it became obvious that wasn't going to happen and started to make plans to do the solo dates he wanted in between the tour instead. But they threw him out anyways. Hence the vitriol from his family and the claims from other people close to him (actual people like Rick Turner and a member of the BM backing band) saying that he wasn't making them delay anything, he was trying to plan two tours.

[Sugar Mouse]

Originally Posted by dreamsunwind

Many other people with reliable 'sources' just like your so-called sources have claimed that the band is manipulating the story. Lindsey did ask to delay the tour but he dropped it once it became obvious that wasn't going to happen and started to make plans to do the solo dates he wanted in between the tour instead. But they threw him out anyways. Hence the vitriol from his family and the claims from other people close to him (actual people like Rick Turner and a member of the BM backing band) saying that he wasn't making them delay anything, he was trying to plan two tours.

Where are the quotes from Rick Turner and a member of the BM backing band? I can't find those quotes online.

[dreamsunwind]

Originally Posted by Sugar Mouse

Where are the quotes from Rick Turner and a member of the BM backing band? I can't find those quotes online.

They were posted on here (both by Elle I believe). People in the band Facebook pages were obviously discussing it and they of them actually replied and shared what they knew. Elle got permission from Rick to post their conversation here, apparently Christine was even planning to join him on a few of those solo dates.

[Sugar Mouse]

Originally Posted by dreamsunwind

They were posted on here (both by Elle I believe). People in the band Facebook pages were obviously discussing it and they of them actually replied and shared what they knew. Elle got permission from Rick to post their conversation here, apparently Christine was even planning to join him on a few of those solo dates.

Well, I've searched online and on this forum and can't find any quotes. I'm sure you can understand that just as you all don't believe that I've spoken with two sources, I will find it hard to trust that Elle had a conversation with Rick without some proof. I know you all don't know how trustworthy I am, but I have actually spoken with two sources; one in Lindsey's production team and one in his management team. That's all I can say about that.

[dreamsunwind]

Originally Posted by Sugar Mouse

Well, I've searched online and on this forum and can't find any quotes. I'm sure you can understand that just as you all don't believe that I've spoken with two sources, I will find it hard to trust that Elle had a conversation with Rick without some proof. I know you all don't know how trustworthy I am, but I have actually spoken with two sources; one in Lindsey's production team and one in his management team. That's all I can say about that.

Elle if you see this can you post the exchanges again? It was on here weeks ago and everyone saw it.

[Sugar Mouse]

Originally Posted by dreamsunwind

Elle if you see this can you post the exchanges again? It was on here weeks ago and everyone saw it.

Was this Elle's account of her conversation or was it an online report? I'm sure you can understand that I can't take Elle's word for any conversation just as you won't take my word about my offline conversations. I'd like to see a Rick Turner post on Facebook or Twitter or somewhere like that.

[dreamsunwind]

Originally Posted by Sugar Mouse

Was this Elle's account of her conversation or was it an online report? I'm sure you can understand that I can't take Elle's word for any conversation just as you won't take my word about my offline conversations. I'd like to see a Rick Turner post on Facebook or Twitter or somewhere like that.

It was literally just their entire exchange copied and pasted from a Facebook comment section.

[TheWildHeart67]

[QUOTE]I will find it hard to trust that Elle had a conversation with Rick without some proof. I know you all don't know how trustworthy I am, but I have actually spoken with two sources; one in Lindsey's production team and one in his management team. That's all I can say about that/QUOTE]
This is totally silly.
You keep saying you don't care if people believe you or not. Yet you keep posting about it over and over.

[dreamsunwind]

Originally Posted by Sugar Mouse

Well, I've searched online and on this forum and can't find any quotes. I'm sure you can understand that just as you all don't believe that I've spoken with two sources, I will find it hard to trust that Elle had a conversation with Rick without some proof. I know you all don't know how trustworthy I am, but I have actually spoken with two sources; one in Lindsey's production team and one in his management team. That's all I can say about that.

Also, for about the past 15 years Lindsey's production team has consisted basically of Lindsey himself and in recent years occasionally Mitchell Froom/Mark Needham when the project has to be a little less weird.
And Lindsey is managed by Irving Azoff. You expect people to believe that you suddenly became chat buddies with Irv Azoff and his people? Lol.

[Sugar Mouse]

Originally Posted by dreamsunwind

Also, for about the past 15 years Lindsey's production team has consisted basically of Lindsey himself and in recent years occasionally Mitchell Froom/Mark Needham when the project has to be a little less weird.
And Lindsey is managed by Irving Azoff. You expect people to believe that you suddenly became chat buddies with Irv Azoff and his people? Lol.

Do you work in music management? Management teams have dozens of people on them. You can choose not to believe me. That's fine but it doesn't affect the truth of it.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by Sugar Mouse

Do you work in music management? Management teams have dozens of people on them. You can choose not to believe me. That's fine but it doesn't affect the truth of it.

Lindsey was dropped by his management.

[dreamsunwind]

Originally Posted by Sugar Mouse

Do you work in music management? Management teams have dozens of people on them. You can choose not to believe me. That's fine but it doesn't affect the truth of it.

I'm aware. But considering that Lindsey's management is under the, according to Billboard, "most powerful man in the music industry" it's understandably pretty hard to believe that someone could all of a sudden 'meet' his people and get them to spill all their secrets. But if you insist!
And keep in mind there are other reliable people (who didn't just pop out of nowhere on a FM board) with reliable 'sources' like you (who claim their 'sources' to be far more realistic) who offer a contradictory story that they claim is 100% the truth as well.

[SteveMacD]

The problem with the Rick Turner chat is “That's what I heard from a most reliable source at the NAMM show in January.” While I certainly don’t question Rick’s integrity or the validity of the source, I question how much the source actually knows. Like, how many sides of the story did the source have?

[Sugar Mouse]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

The problem with the Rick Turner chat is “That's what I heard from a most reliable source at the NAMM show in January.” While I certainly don’t question Rick’s integrity or the validity of the source, I question how much the source actually knows. Like, how many sides of the story did the source have?

So Elle's source is that Rick Turner told her that someone told him that Lindsey was willing to tour. If so, that's third hand and unlikely to be valid.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by dreamsunwind

he was trying to plan two tours.

And maybe that was part of the decision. Maybe they were getting external pressures to squash the solo tour.