Let's talk about... Fleetwood Mac!

[elle]

Originally Posted by MoonSister75

IElle, as you pointed out, it was Anti-bullying day yesterday, maybe we could have anti-bullying day on here instead today. Yes have disagreements, but leave out the nastiness just for a day. It is possible? I hope so

also, are you implying i am being nasty? believe me, i can be nasty. and i hold back here, quiet a lot.

[MoonSister75]

Originally Posted by elle

also, are you implying i am being nasty? believe me, i can be nasty. and i hold back here, quiet a lot.

no that certainly wasn't my intention - sorry if it came across that way. I was talking about the general nastiness lately on the board - it seems to have escalated in the past couple of weeks. I know we are going to fight and disagree on here, as that comes with FM territory, but I was suggesting just trying to leave out the worst of the b*tchiness just for a day.

[elle]

Originally Posted by MoonSister75

no that certainly wasn't my intention - sorry if it came across that way. I was talking about the general nastiness lately on the board - it seems to have escalated in the past couple of weeks. I know we are going to fight and disagree on here, as that comes with FM territory, but I was suggesting just trying to leave out the worst of the b*tchiness just for a day.

thanks for clarifying. again i do appreciate it - and any honest discussion. makes the world more interesting! people trying to shut down any discussion and disagreements is what is so puzzling. i guess people are so used to groupthink these days, that they are losing the skills of civil arguing and debate?

back to FM topic: you know what i find really interesting? the divide in the fandom right now seems to be actually less than it used to be in recent years:

• used to be SN fans vs LB fans vs BN fans vs FM fans and then all different combinations.
  
• now it's mostly LB + BN + FM5 + disappointed SN fans all on one side, and then mostly SN-only + pre-and post-BNera FM on the other.

another difference i see is that it seems the 2 groups are much more entrenched in their views than all these fragmented groups of fans seemed to have been. also interesting: all these SN fans who would normally only go to SN solo shows and hate FM ones now all of the sudden being the staunchest defenders of FM.

[MoonSister75]

Originally Posted by elle

thanks for clarifying. again i do appreciate it - and any honest discussion. makes the world more interesting! people trying to shut down any discussion and disagreements is what is so puzzling. i guess people are so used to groupthink these days, that they are losing the skills of civil arguing and debate?

back to FM topic: you know what i find really interesting? the divide in the fandom right now seems to be actually less than it used to be in recent years:

• used to be SN fans vs LB fans vs BN fans vs FM fans and then all different combinations.
  
• now it's mostly LB + BN + FM5 + disappointed SN fans all on one side, and then mostly SN-only + pre-and post-BNera FM on the other.

another difference i see is that it seems the 2 groups are much more entrenched in their views than all these fragmented groups of fans seemed to have been. also interesting: all these SN fans who would normally only go to SN solo shows and hate FM ones now all of the sudden being the staunchest defenders of FM.

Yes the recent developments with the band have certainly shaken everything up, including discussions on this board. Its definitely more heated in here lately, with more people posting and some aligning their views with others that they don't normally agree with.

[MoonSister75]

It actually amazes me that this band can generate so much conversation between fans, and we never seem to run out of things to say about them 24 hours/day, every day of the year

[jkmaletic]

Originally Posted by elle

thanks for clarifying. again i do appreciate it - and any honest discussion. makes the world more interesting! people trying to shut down any discussion and disagreements is what is so puzzling. i guess people are so used to groupthink these days, that they are losing the skills of civil arguing and debate?

back to FM topic: you know what i find really interesting? the divide in the fandom right now seems to be actually less than it used to be in recent years:

• used to be SN fans vs LB fans vs BN fans vs FM fans and then all different combinations.
  
• now it's mostly LB + BN + FM5 + disappointed SN fans all on one side, and then mostly SN-only + pre-and post-BNera FM on the other.

another difference i see is that it seems the 2 groups are much more entrenched in their views than all these fragmented groups of fans seemed to have been. also interesting: all these SN fans who would normally only go to SN solo shows and hate FM ones now all of the sudden being the staunchest defenders of FM.

Oh my God, Elle....
Are you a lawyer? Seriously. If not, were you at least the Champion of the Debate Club in high school? You've got some serious skills, and I mean that. I may not agree with all of your posts, but I wanted to tell you that I appreciate your writing and debating skills.
You go girl!

Jamie

[elle]

Originally Posted by jkmaletic

Oh my God, Elle....
Are you a lawyer? Seriously. If not, were you at least the Champion of the Debate Club in high school? You've got some serious skills, and I mean that. I may not agree with all if your posts, but I wanted to tell you that I appreciate your writing and debating skills.
You go girl!

Jamie

i made a serious omission in that list - and i'm waiting to get some beating from Christine fans - they were usually pretty neutral in the past - or just different CM fans were divided pro or against different groups. and now they are coming strongly with that big group of "mostly LB + BN + FM5 + disappointed SN fans" - and against their favorite. so should have been "mostly LB + BN + FM5 + CM + disappointed SN fans"

i'm sure they'll correct me if / where i'm wrong!

also no idea whether there are any Mick fans and how they feel right now .

John fans?

[FuzzyPlum]

Originally Posted by elle

also no idea whether there are any Mick fans and how they feel right now .

Does anybody out there actually like Mick? There have been so many bad stories about him and his character- I't had gotten to the stage where I was lukewarm about him but generally gave him the benefit of the doubt. Now I think he's just a bit of a grubby old saddo.

[SisterNightroad]

Originally Posted by FuzzyPlum

Does anybody out there actually like Mick?

I like his sense of style.

[dreamsunwind]

Originally Posted by FuzzyPlum

Does anybody out there actually like Mick? There have been so many bad stories about him and his character- I't had gotten to the stage where I was lukewarm about him but generally gave him the benefit of the doubt. Now I think he's just a bit of a grubby old saddo.

I doubt that he's a bad person, but he's just really, really shameless and blatant when it comes to money. I doubt that he'll ever move an inch unless he can make a buck off of it and I have no doubt in my mind he will take advantage of/exploit (however you want to put it) the Fleetwood Mac name for money until his dying day. I don't think his "the band must play on" mentality is about Fleetwood Mac in itself, more just about the money he gets from Fleetwood Mac.

[Angel75]

Originally Posted by FuzzyPlum

Does anybody out there actually like Mick? There have been so many bad stories about him and his character- I't had gotten to the stage where I was lukewarm about him but generally gave him the benefit of the doubt. Now I think he's just a bit of a grubby old saddo.

He gives me the creeps and is the kinda guy I would not want to be stuck in an elevator with